<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">There are 3 distinct knife edges in this maneuver. Center of the maneuver is the middle of the second knife edge as it is the reverse part of the maneuver. We have been flying this same maneuver in Expert SPA and that’s the way it has been judged. This maneuver has not changed since the 70s.<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Nov 26, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Anthony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">That’s one way to look at it. Another way is that the maneuver has 6 points, or 6 distinct wing positions. It also has 6 rolling sections. So the maneuver starts with a rolling section and ends with a “point” section. So, roll, point, roll, point, roll, point. Then reverse roll, point, roll, point, roll, point. So the center is at the conclusion of the 3rd point where the reverse roll segment begins. <br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Tony Frackowiak </div><div><br>On Nov 26, 2019, at 6:33 PM, Stuart Chale <<a href="mailto:schale1@outlook.com">schale1@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>I see it as wings level going in as the same as wings level going out. If you agree with that then you have 11 elements if you count the 1/4 rolls and flight segments. 1 is 1/4 roll to the first knife edge. 2 is the first knife edge, 3 is the next 1/4
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<p>1 is the first 1/4 roll and 11 is the last 1/4 roll. # 6 is the middle of that group and it is the second knife edge flight</p>
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I still disagree. This maneuver has been flown since the late 70’s, early 80’s. The center has always been considered to be the point where the roll reverses. Don’t forget the last wing level is a “point” and should be considered a part of the maneuver. <br>
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<p>The maneuver description calls for a hesitation at 270 degrees, not an immediate reversal in this case. So the center is the middle of the second knife edge.</p>
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That was my understanding as well. I believe that is what we had in the description of the maneuver under the downgrades. It said “maneuver not centered” In parentheses it had “knife edge”. I assume that would be the center of the second knife edge.
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<div>That is certainly my interpretation as well.</div>
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<p>I believe it should be the center of the second knife edge.</p>
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