<div dir="auto">The setup for that plane per the designer is <div dir="auto">Motor -1<br></div><div dir="auto">T canalizer-1<br></div><div dir="auto">Wing+1<br></div><div dir="auto">Estab 0<br></div><div dir="auto">C.G. 185 190 mm from the front of wing<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That comes directly from Mariano he uses that setup with a pletty 3010 advance. I used the same set up with the CG at 190 and mine didnot have any issues.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Matt Griffitt <br>ADGaero.com<br>334.380.8228</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 11:19 AM John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-8957967896214560550WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the feedback. May be a while before I can try what has been suggested. I start with the easy and move to the more involved. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">As a point of reference it’s a Zonda with a pletty for power. 21.5x13 prop. CG is right on manufacturers suggested point. Determining thrust line, stab incidence is the difficult part.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Vicente Bortone' <<a href="mailto:vincebrc@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vincebrc@gmail.com</a>>; 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] trimming<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">As we also know, there’s no such thing a too much power. And way, way, too much is about right!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 29, 2019 8:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] trimming<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">John,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">You got very good information. For sure we would like to know if you fix it and what you did. Something that I would like to add. Just use the correct amount of power required to do the up line. As we know, too much power corrupts. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Good luck,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Vicente "Vince" Bortone<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 6:37 AM Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Which airplane? Not all designs behave the same way. I had one modern design plane that no matter what I tried always pulled to the canopy in the vertical. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">But as already mentioned start with incidences. Positive in the wing will help. If the incidence is correct to start then move the CG back. Finally add downthrust. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">My Hebert designed planes have always been very sensitive to CG in this respect. My Mythos much less so.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Stuart <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Oct 28, 2019, at 5:53 PM, wayg2013 via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Down thrust<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div id="m_-8957967896214560550gmail-m_6280360276392078259composer_signature"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#575757">Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-------- Original message --------<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">From: John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Date: 10/28/19 4:43 PM (GMT-06:00) <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">To: NSRCA <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] trimming <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Real quite on the list. Need some advice. 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