<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I was the Event Director for the 2002 Pattern Nats. We had a Masters pilot and an FAI pilot not make the finals that year because of a scoring error. This discussion brings back a painful memory for me —</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The day before the finals, two pilots came to me and told me of their concerns about the finals placement. Al Williamson, the Category Director, and myself went over the scoring data but could not find the error. I had to go with the scores I had to determine the finalists. I saved the paper the concerned pilots gave me in the scoring center at the farmhouse. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Still the possibility of an error haunted me. Over two months later, in early October, the AMA had its yearly Nats planning meeting. I went back to the farmhouse then and retrieved the paper. I sent it to Derek Koopowitz, the author of the scoring software, and he found the error right away. The scorer had used the default settings on some days rather than the settings particular to the Nats. When Derek re-ran the scoring one pilot in Masters and one pilot in FAI had been deprived of the opportunity to fly in the finals. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Those two phone calls were hard to make. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 20, 2019, at 9:32 PM, John Ferrell via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">It looks so easy to find a single soul to hold responsible for
whatever went wrong. I don't want to up set anyone because we need
all the talents we can muster to support our cause.</p><p class="">There are precious little paid to help our volunteers with
expenses. The budget to support the entire Nats has been under
fire since the beginning of time. I hope that it is still as much
fun for you folks as it was for me. My credentials for even
speaking are limited to a Leader Member and an ordinary CD. <br class="">
</p><p class="">It was an especially wicked "FUBAR". I knew Joseph since he was
a bump on his mothers belly and he will not let this incident
dampen his resolve!</p><p class="">We all share the burden of the glitch . Thanks for letting an
old fart vent. <br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/20/2019 9:15 PM, Phil Spelt via
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<meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
sans-serif; color: #333333;" class="">+ a whole bunch!! Someone from the
USA management should not just suggest that, but argue very
strongly for it.</p><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
sans-serif; color: #333333;" class="">whose software was it? The FAIs? I
was a software developer at several points in my career, and one
just does not run an event or demo or anything with a package
that has not been <strong class="">thoroughly verified and tested</strong>.
In my opinion, time crunch is not an excise, it is a
demonstration of faulty planning.</p>
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'Arial Black'; font-size: 12px;" class=""> <strong class=""><em class="">Phil
Spelt, AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member<br class="">
SPA L-18, Board Member, NSRCA 2032, KCRC
Emeritus<br class="">
Knoxville, TN 37931 (865) 604-0541c</em></strong></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On August 20, 2019 at 8:29 PM Matthew
Finley via NSRCA-discussion
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An automatic invite I think is the least they could do for
their mistake...... <br class="">
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<div dir="auto" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Get
<a href="https://aka.ms/ghei36" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">Outlook
for Android</a></div>
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<strong class="">Sent:</strong> Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:21:50 PM<br class="">
<strong class="">To:</strong> Atwood, Mark
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"><atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></a>; General pattern discussion
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<strong class="">Subject:</strong> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Apology</span>
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<div class="">That really sucks. They should at least give him an
invitation to compete in 2021 whether he makes the team or
not.
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On Aug 20, 2019, at 7:12 PM, Atwood, Mark via
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Yes, I apologize if that was not clear.
The incorrect normalization put him in 11th and Brett
and 12th, where they should have finished 10th and
11th respectively.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Koji Suzuki would have moved to 12th</div>
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<div class="">I guess that means he should have been in the
finals? <br class="">
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On Aug 20, 2019, at 7:26 PM, Atwood, Mark via
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I think it’s important that
everyone sees this. I will also post it on
our team page. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I’m still working on getting a
revised final ranking from the organizers. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class=""><strong class="">From:</strong> Peter
Uhlig < <a href="mailto:peteruhligf3a@aol.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">peteruhligf3a@aol.com</a>>
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<strong class="">Date:</strong> August 20, 2019 at
6:19:03 PM EDT <br class="">
<strong class="">To:</strong> <a href="mailto:jszczur2000@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">jszczur2000@gmail.com</a>,
<a href="mailto:dszczur@verizon.net" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">
dszczur@verizon.net</a>, "Skinner, Bob"
< <a href="mailto:samaa-gm@mweb.co.za" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">samaa-gm@mweb.co.za</a>>
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</p><p class=""><strong class=""><em class=""><u class=""><span style="font-size: 18.0pt;
font-family: Calibri; color:
#1f497d;" class="">Formal apology to Mr
Joseph Szczur</span></u></em></strong></p><p class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;
color: #3333ff;" class="">Dear Joseph Szczur,</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;
color: #3333ff;" class="">On behalf of the
FAI Jury, and the organizer of the
2019 F3A World Championship, I must
profusely apologize for the mistake
in the semi-final ranking list.</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;
color: #3333ff;" class="">The score keeper
and the Jury worked under trying
conditions during the long days. All
results were spot-checked on all the
days by the Jury and the contest
director as best we could, also
making spot checks of the semi-final
results, on Friday evening. We
allowed at least an hour before
proceeding with the team manager’s
meeting. At this time we had no
reason to suspect anything untoward
in the results of the semi-finals,
especially since all the
calculations were performed
electronically, and we applied some
measure of trust in the system. The
results were published according to
the rules, and neither the contest
management, nor the Jury received
any enquiries.</span></p><p class="ox-7dc9b66c7b-listparagraph" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color:
#3333ff;" class="">At the beginning of the
last final round (Unknown 2), the
developer of the scoring software
application, mentioned to the jury
that there may be a possible problem
with the semi-final results. By that
time the developer was not quite
sure about the extent of the
problem, and if this potential error
could have had an effect on the
ranking. The jury unanimously
decided not to stop the event, as
long as the problem was not
absolutely correctly identified and
verified. At that point, time was of
course very limited, and the
priority of the organiser was to
finish the event. </span></p><p class="ox-7dc9b66c7b-listparagraph" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color:
#3333ff;" class="">At the conclusion of the
flights, and after verifying the
results of the finals to be able to
officially publish them, the jury
and the developer took a closer look
at the potential problem. By the
time the problem was correctly and
fully identified, the flight line
was no longer in operation, there
were no judges left on the field,
and all the required infrastructure,
wi-fi, electricity, etc had been
dismantled. <br class="">
<br class="">
I have known you for the last six
years as a fair, keen, and great
sportsman, and can fully understand
your frustration, disappointment,
and possible anger that this error
had to occur to you. The
scorekeeper, contest director, and
jury members did not realise the
extent of the error until much
later. We did not spot the mistake
during checking of the semi-final
results.</span></p><p class="ox-7dc9b66c7b-listparagraph" style="margin-bottom: 6.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color:
#3333ff;" class="">This unfortunate turn of
events has left you the victim in
the process, and we can only
apologise for this injustice, and we
all hope that you will accept our
sincere apology.<br class="">
<br class="">
Sincerely<br class="">
Peter Uhlig<br class="">
</span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
color: #3333ff;" class="">FAI Jury President
at 2019 FAI F3A World Championship
for Aerobatic Model Aircraft</span></p><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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