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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m surprised no one has mentioned double jeopardy where one error causes multiple downgrades. In the case of the rolls, one error, change of roll rate, causes a centering problem. Do you downgrade one error twice?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Don Ramsey<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2019 10:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Vicente Bortone<br><b>Cc:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It would be hard to write a more unclear paragraph then 5B.9. It says flight speed. Is that airspeed, ground speed, what? Radii performed very tight or very loose. What exactly does that mean? A loose radius would be less smooth or graceful? Huh? Extremely subjective and not really a good way to judge. And then what percentage of a maneuver score should be Smoothness and Gracefulness? I have always thought accurate Geometry should was the primary importance. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tony Frackowiak<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 15, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Vicente Bortone <<a href="mailto:vincebrc@gmail.com">vincebrc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is from FAI rulebook<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>5B.9. SMOOTHNESS AND GRACEFULNESS OF THE MANOEUVRE<br>Concerns the harmonic appearance of an entire manoeuvre; i.e. <b><i>maintaining a constant flight speed throughout the various manoeuvre components</i>,</b> like in climbing and descending sections contributes significantly to smoothness and gracefulness. Radii performed very tight or very loose, though being of equal size within one manoeuvre may be subject for downgrading Smoothness and Gracefulness.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For AMA is smoothness is not well described. However, I think the first sentence is equivalent to FAI or try to make it similar:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>b. Smoothness and gracefulness<br><b><i>A most general definition would relate to providing a smooth, flowing, polished appearance in flight. </i></b>A perfect set of consecutive rolls should have a constant roll rate from start to finish. A perfect loop must have a constant radius defining a perfect circle. It cannot be made up of a series of straight flight increments joined with sudden angular jerks. Rotations in the pitch axis of the model should be made evenly, and show a constant radius as the model transitions from line to line. Higher marks should not be awarded for flying tight, high-g corners.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't think it is incorrect interpretation of the current rulebook.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:28 PM Anthony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Agree with Jerry. No downgrade for difference in aircraft speed. If you have been judging for constant speed that is incorrect.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tony Frackowiak<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 15, 2019, at 6:54 AM, John Decker via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>The only reference to center in the list of downgrades is the point of hesitation. Presentation would be poor if asymmetrical in my opinion, hence I believe it would be a downgrade in addition to the change of roll rate which is a listed downgrade. .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yahoo_quoted_6077499698"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 08:15:26 AM CDT, Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341"><div><div><p class=gmail-m-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>I finally have the World Championships posted on my site in an easy to read pdf format. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=gmail-m-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><a href="http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey" target="_blank">http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=gmail-m-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>An interesting judging question came up the other day and I would like to get some feedback from the group. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=gmail-m-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Are rolling maneuvers, like the current Masters 2 slow rolls reversed, an asymmetrical maneuver? If the maneuver finishes the first roll just before center (as it should) then changes the roll rate causing the line length of the second roll to be different from the first, should this be considered a centering error in additon to the change in roll rate.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=gmail-m-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Don</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yqtfd50548"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>