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</head><body><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333333;">If I understand Anthony's post, I have to agree with him on the double jeopardy point. If the pilot changes roll rate, then, <em>ipso facto</em>, the second roll will be longer (or shorter) than the first roll. Since that is the case, downgrading for the delta roll rate <strong>and</strong> the change in length of roll would be punishing the same error twice.</p><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333333;">I have a question of my own: is the "center" of such a maneuver judged as being on the center of the box, or is it judged as a center point of the maneuver, independent of where the center of the box is? It seems to me that the center of the maneuver and the center of the box should coincide.</p><div class="io-ox-signature"><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" class="default-style"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'; font-size: 12px;"> <strong><em>Phil Spelt, AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member<br>SPA L-18, Board Member, NSRCA 2032, KCRC Emeritus<br>Knoxville, TN 37931 (865) 604-0541c</em></strong></span></span></span></span></span></span></p></div><blockquote type="cite">On August 15, 2019 at 10:46 AM Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote: <br> <br><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">The distance from the end of the first roll should be an equal distance from center as the beginning of the second roll, when a pause is present. Variances in roll rate would be a separate downgrade. Changes in roll rate would affect the overall length but would seem to be double jeopardy to downgrade for centering and if the rolls are true slow rolls, approx 3 seconds, very hard to judge.</div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">Anthony</div><div> <br><div style="font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><br></div><hr style="display: inline-block; width: 98%;"><div id="ox-b6395746e2-divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br> <strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:15 AM<br> <strong>To:</strong> 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br> <strong>Subject:</strong> [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</span><div> </div></div><div><div class="ox-b6395746e2-x_WordSection1"><p class="ox-b6395746e2-x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">I finally have the World Championships posted on my site in an easy to read pdf format. </span></p><p class="ox-b6395746e2-x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><a href="http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey">http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey</a></span></p><p class="ox-b6395746e2-x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="ox-b6395746e2-x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="ox-b6395746e2-x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">An interesting judging question came up the other day and I would like to get some feedback from the group. </span></p><p class="ox-b6395746e2-x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="ox-b6395746e2-x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Are rolling maneuvers, like the current Masters 2 slow rolls reversed, an asymmetrical maneuver? If the maneuver finishes the first roll just before center (as it should) then changes the roll rate causing the line length of the second roll to be different from the first, should this be considered a centering error in </span><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">addition</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> to the change in roll rate.</span></span></p><p class="ox-b6395746e2-x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="ox-b6395746e2-x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Don</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" class="default-style"><br> </p><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________ <br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list <br>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org <br>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</blockquote><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" class="default-style"><br> </p></body></html>