<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">It would be hard to write a more unclear paragraph then 5B.9. It says flight speed. Is that airspeed, ground speed, what? Radii performed very tight or very loose. What exactly does that mean? A loose radius would be less smooth or graceful? Huh? Extremely subjective and not really a good way to judge. And then what percentage of a maneuver score should be Smoothness and Gracefulness? I have always thought accurate Geometry should was the primary importance. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tony Frackowiak</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 15, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Vicente Bortone <<a href="mailto:vincebrc@gmail.com" class="">vincebrc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">This is from FAI rulebook<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">5B.9. SMOOTHNESS AND GRACEFULNESS OF THE MANOEUVRE<br class="">Concerns the harmonic appearance of an entire manoeuvre; i.e. <b class=""><i class="">maintaining a constant flight speed throughout the various manoeuvre components</i>,</b> like in climbing and descending sections contributes significantly to smoothness and gracefulness. Radii performed very tight or very loose, though being of equal size within one manoeuvre may be subject for downgrading Smoothness and Gracefulness.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For AMA is smoothness is not well described. However, I think the first sentence is equivalent to FAI or try to make it similar:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">b. Smoothness and gracefulness<br class=""><i class=""><b class="">A most general definition would relate to providing a smooth, flowing, polished appearance in flight. </b></i>A perfect set of consecutive rolls should have a constant roll rate from start to finish. A perfect loop must have a constant radius defining a perfect circle. It cannot be made up of a series of straight flight increments joined with sudden angular jerks. Rotations in the pitch axis of the model should be made evenly, and show a constant radius as the model transitions from line to line. Higher marks should not be awarded for flying tight, high-g corners.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don't think it is incorrect interpretation of the current rulebook.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Vicente "Vince" Bortone</div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:28 PM Anthony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">Agree with Jerry. No downgrade for difference in aircraft speed. If you have been judging for constant speed that is incorrect.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tony Frackowiak</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 15, 2019, at 6:54 AM, John Decker via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydpaa8991d1yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div class=""></div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">The only reference to center in the list of downgrades is the point of hesitation. Presentation would be poor if asymmetrical in my opinion, hence I believe it would be a downgrade in addition to the change of roll rate which is a listed downgrade. .</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">John</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>
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On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 08:15:26 AM CDT, Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:
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<div class=""><div id="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341WordSection1"><p class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">I finally have the World Championships posted on my site in an easy to read pdf format. </span></p><p class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""><a shape="rect" href="http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey</a></span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""> </span><br class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""> </span><br class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">An interesting judging question came up the other day and I would like to get some feedback from the group. </span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""> </span><br class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">Are rolling maneuvers, like the current Masters 2 slow rolls reversed, an asymmetrical maneuver? If the maneuver finishes the first roll just before center (as it should) then changes the roll rate causing the line length of the second roll to be different from the first, should this be considered a centering error in additon to the change in roll rate.</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""> </span><br class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">Don</span><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""></span></p><div class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341yqt4444461571" id="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yiv2706510341yqtfd58936"></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yqt4444461571" id="gmail-m_-7154510689226231502ydp28774b63yqtfd50548">_______________________________________________<br clear="none" class="">NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br clear="none" class=""><a shape="rect" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br clear="none" class=""><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></div></div>
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