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We can’t do something that let’s new people in but runs off existing competitive people. You’re swapping people who are interested and participating for new people who will not spend the money to fly any contest if it cost them money for hotels, traveling,
etc. if you’re just going to guarantee them a trophy, then there is no competition and you’re in essence just handing out participation trophies.
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<div>Hey, why not just do away with having to buy a plane and flip quarters to see who gets the trophies. <br>
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idea was to attract newbie’s to pattern. If all the perceptions we have discussed and cussed have any semblance of truth then just allowing smaller planes to fly will not get them interested. We have that paradigm now. I guess I do not understand what
all the discussion was about. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We had a pilot at the Cajun Nats finish second place with a PHOENIX 7 against at least 5 other 2 meter planes. With the 10% no one could even have a chance against him.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It certainly isn’t right to give a lesser pilot the win over a better pilot like John suggested, just because he flies a smaller plane. That certainly isn’t what our sport or competition is about. <o:p></o:p></p>
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a pilot flies a 2M vs. a 1.75 or smaller airplane to critique the 10%. We'd be hard pressed, I think, to get a firm, accurate number to represent that difference. We'd have to have a single pilot fly both sized planes in front of a set of judges, probably
multiple times, to know if there was any real difference at all. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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If it's to level the field, pick a lower one.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I was thinking that 10% was a bit high. Could also do a lower % or Int than Sportsman.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">John, I hope the idea of any of these rules proposals is NOT to allow the lesser pilot to win!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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the newcomer should have a good chance of placing/winning even though he/she may not be the best pilot.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I just went into one of last years contests in intermediate. Pilot one’s first round scored a raw score of 350 and 331, his average raw score was 340.5 (he won
the round). Pilot two’s raw score for round one was 338 and 324.5, his average raw score was 331.25, add in the 10% handicap and it becomes 364.375. This moves him to first place in the round by a high margin. Totally changes the results. Add to that the normalizing
and it becomes almost insurmountable, considering pilot one outflew pilot two.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">10% is a lot. sportsman has 18 maneuvers so a perfect flight has a possibility of 180 points in raw score, 10% of that is 18 points. A flight with all 9’s would
be a raw score of 162, 10% is 16.2 points. That pretty much means a pilot without the 10% advantage has to beat the pilot with the advantage by 1 point per maneuver on all the maneuvers to beat him, if they tie more than 2 maneuvers, then the handicap beats
him. 10% is a high factor to overcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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