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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I agree Monte. While the overall
intent of these rule changes is to get more participation with less expensive
equipment, I can see where someone who has invested the money and time to
become a better pattern pilot might decide to get out of the hobby with
this rule if he is beaten by someone who is not only flying cheap airplanes but
is also not flying as well. Every rule meant to provide an advantage for
someone becomes a rule to provide a DISADVANTAGE for someone else. The
old unintended consequences have to be looked at.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Monte Richard via NSRCA-discussion<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> tjpritchett@aol.com; <st1:PersonName
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We had a pilot at the Cajun Nats finish second place with a <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">PHOENIX</st1:place></st1:City> 7 against at
least 5 other 2 meter planes. With the 10% no one could even have a chance
against him. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It certainly isn’t
right to give a lesser pilot the win over a better pilot like John suggested,
just because he flies a smaller plane. That certainly isn’t what our
sport or competition is about. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jan 18, 2019, at 6:07 PM, tim pritchett via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Keep in mind, for analysis below, no
consideration is being given to whether pilot 1 and pilot 2's planes were
different. What we don't know is how much 'better' a pilot flies a 2M vs.
a 1.75 or smaller airplane to critique the 10%. We'd be hard pressed, I
think, to get a firm, accurate number to represent that difference. We'd
have to have a single pilot fly both sized planes in front of a set of judges,
probably multiple times, to know if there was any real difference at
all. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>That
said, it's a penalty - something a pilot must choose to work with or
around. If we want to discourage 2M, then pick a high number. If
it's to level the field, pick a lower one.<br>
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From: Daniel Underkofler via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I was thinking that 10% was a bit
high. Could also do a lower % or Int than Sportsman. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>John, I hope the idea of any of these
rules proposals is NOT to allow the lesser pilot to win!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>We just are talking about leveling the
playing field to account for equipment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:32 PM John
Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Monte</span></font><font
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'>I sort of arbitrarily picked 10%. Do the math
and suggest a better number. Although I think the idea is that the
newcomer should have a good chance of placing/winning even though he/she may
not be the best pilot.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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color:black'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Monte Richard via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 18, 2019
3:18 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Monte Richard; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I just went into one of last years
contests in intermediate. Pilot one’s first round scored a raw score of
350 and 331, his average raw score was 340.5 (he won the round). Pilot
two’s raw score for round one was 338 and 324.5, his average raw score
was 331.25, add in the 10% handicap and it becomes 364.375. This moves him to
first place in the round by a high margin. Totally changes the results. Add to
that the normalizing and it becomes almost insurmountable, considering pilot
one outflew pilot two.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jan 18, 2019, at 2:58 PM, Monte Richard <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Add in the Kfactors and in Sportsman the
total raw score can be 250 making the 10% handicap 25 points. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jan 18, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Monte Richard via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>10% is a lot. sportsman has 18 maneuvers
so a perfect flight has a possibility of 180 points in raw score, 10% of that
is 18 points. A flight with all 9’s would be a raw score of 162, 10% is
16.2 points. That pretty much means a pilot without the 10% advantage has to
beat the pilot with the advantage by 1 point per maneuver on all the maneuvers
to beat him, if they tie more than 2 maneuvers, then the handicap beats him.
10% is a high factor to overcome.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jan 18, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Daniel Underkofler via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> I think you've got a wording
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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AND width DO NOT exceed 71in"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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AMA website. Suggest folks take a look.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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