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On January 9, 2019 at 7:08 PM Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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The rules proposal has been submitted and it is not an NSRCA decision right. The rule is out there for AMA members to vote on. I suspect most of the votes are typically from the NSRCA members, albeit open for all AMA members to vote on.
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There are differing opinions on this rules proposal. An honest open discussion within this discussion group is healthy.
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None-the-less, it will proceed through the AMA process.
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From: Monte Richard <mrichard@compassengineering.com>
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Date: 1/9/19 5:41 PM (GMT-06:00)
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To: tjpritchett@aol.com, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>, vellum2@bellsouth.net, ldiamond@diamondrc.com
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Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposal - Limiting Size/Power for Sportsman and Intermediate
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: #1F497D;">Excellent points Tim. Let’s not shoot ourselves in the foot with restrictions that aren’t totally thought out and all ramifications explored first. Once someone enters Sportsman with a sport plane and flies a few contests, they see that as a whole, the pilots there are very helpful and willing to assist them. They usually want to fly a 2 meter plane when moving up to Intermediate, and most of the time have made a few friends in the sport who help them find a used 2 meter plane at a reasonable price to get started. They also realize that a well-trimmed sport plane can compete pretty well in Intermediate.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>tim pritchett via NSRCA-discussion<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 09, 2019 4:16 PM<br> <b>To:</b> vellum2@bellsouth.net; nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org; ldiamond@diamondrc.com<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposal - Limiting Size/Power for Sportsman and Intermediate
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: black;"> Larry's comments tapped a thought I've been considering for a while. Our planes are pretty cool, and attract a lot of attention. You see folks walk the lines looking, and stopping at the 2M Pattern Planes. I still do that at contests. They are why I got into (and stay in) the sport in the first place. If they were ugly, I wouldn't have wanted or bought one. I think every one has an affinity for the planes. When we were flying a lot of nitro, pipes and retracts were not allowed in Novice (may still not be). I flew a stick that year, and couldn't wait to get out to fly the 'big stuff' in Sportsman. Young, poor, and stupid, but I had an EU1-A!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: #1F497D;">You count my investment based on buying new with your own numbers… Color me stupid, dumb, silly, or maybe I just like the sexy 2M planes regardless how well I fly.</span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; color: #26282A;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: #1F497D;">More importantly, you have cost CK Aero, AJ Aircraft, and F3A Unlimited future revenue in a difficult market. Please explain how this is good for Pattern?</span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; color: #26282A;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: #1F497D;">Just so that it is clear, if this rule passes, it will force me out of the NSRCA within two years. If I continue to compete it will be in IMAC, SPA CPA, or some other discipline.</span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; color: #26282A;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: #1F497D;">Which brings me to the real reason for the NSRCA decline. </span><b><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: red;">We are the SIG for the AMA for Precision Aerobatics</span></b><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: #1F497D;">. It is good to see we are, as a SIG, embracing F3P. We let the CPA and SPA get away and create a new SIGs or organizations, when the </span><b><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: red;">National Society of Radio Controlled Aerobatics</span></b><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: #1F497D;"> should have been inclusive, not exclusive (you know, like “Elitist”, as painful as that sounds).</span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; color: #26282A;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: red;">Our By-Laws state, “…promote the construction and competitive flying of radio controlled aerobatic model airplanes…”</span></b><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: #1F497D;">, not just F3A, and we lost sight of that perspective. We need to figure out how to unite all precision aerobatic disciplines for the survival and betterment of everyone who enjoys precision aerobatics. That is my proposal…</span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; color: #26282A;">
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