<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'> Larry's comments tapped a thought I've been considering for a while. Our planes are pretty cool, and attract a lot of attention. You see folks walk the lines looking, and stopping at the 2M Pattern Planes. I still do that at contests. They are why I got into (and stay in) the sport in the first place. If they were ugly, I wouldn't have wanted or bought one. I think every one has an affinity for the planes. When we were flying a lot of nitro, pipes and retracts were not allowed in Novice (may still not be). I flew a stick that year, and couldn't wait to get out to fly the 'big stuff' in Sportsman. Young, poor, and stupid, but I had an EU1-A!
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<div> In addition to restricting our own pilots who fly Intermediate for many years, as was pointed out, we also have potential recruits who look at the planes and want to fly one. If we tell them no, you can't fly this until you're capable of X class, today they would just abandon the prospect and go buy a jet. <span style="font-size: 10pt;">I think our planes carry some value in recruiting for the sport, and are more of an asset than a liability. We should find ways to leverage that 'passion' we all share. </span></div>
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<div> Point also taken on the industrial impact. We should know what our manufacturers/distributors think about rules changes, as I'm sure they are impacted by regulation, better or worse. They are a very integral part of what we do, and should have a voice; a loud one. Without them we have no sport. </div>
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From: Joe Walker via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>; Larry Diamond <ldiamond@diamondrc.com><br>
Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2019 3:27 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposal - Limiting Size/Power for Sportsman and Intermediate<br>
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<div><font size="3">As a point of clarification, rules proposal submittals are done by AMA members and not the NSRCA (This is an AMA process). This particular one was proposed by Mike Harrison as an individual. We've been talking a lot about how we can clarify this process so the NSRCA can represent the community, but that's an ongoing task. I love the motivation behind looking to encourage participation of course. Do I agree with the proposal as written? Not entirely. I posted earlier that giving or loaning our older, unused planes to folks that show interest in seeing what pattern is all about can be a compelling strategy since it eliminates the "cost of entry" barrier entirely.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">I'd encourage you to go re-read some of the K-factors in the last year or two. We have all been promoting aerobatic competition flying inclusive of F3A, SPA, CPA, JPA, F3P and IMAC with vigor. Bringing everyone </font><font size="3">together is the clear path forward in my opinion. Locally, we get a lot of crossover between IMAC, SPA and AMA pattern. Jamie Strong even created a contest for CPA and SPA planes in March of this year. I'm looking forward to that for sure (with an old Atlanta and MK Arrow). So, I don't think that we have lost sight as an organization, we are just looking for ways to entice folks to bring their toys out to play.</font></div>
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On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 2:55:47 PM EST, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Here is the link to review the Rule Change Proposal on the AMA website, RCA20-02…</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#2F5597;">Yes, I read the complete proposal and understand the 2 year grand-father clause.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">This is a Ready, Fire, Aim mentality. We are driving to impose a rule change without understanding, or accounting for, the root-cause of the decline. The NSRCA will lose more members than they think because of this. The gamble is it will somehow attract more members, to not only replace those like me, but we are arrogant enough to think it will save the NSRCA by increasing membership as a whole because of this rule change.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Every action taken, to my knowledge, by rule change has caused another layer of decline. Anyone, please provide an example, with the data, that shows changing the rules regarding the Plane itself has increased NSRCA membership. Just one example with the data is all I am asking, engine size, wing span, length, anything that resulted in a surge of NSRCA membership.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Are we as an organization data driven? Or, just willing to accept a good sales pitch and not worry or complicate things with data. If it’s the later, then that is politics. If politics prevails, then I must agree with Bob Kane, the end of NSRCA is inevitable.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">What is the data behind this rule change? Real factual data, not words or opinions.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">The thought behind the rule change, which is seemingly more popular than I thought it would be, is presented to counter the decline in Pattern. What isn’t addressed with any sense of credibility is the real unintended consequences of current participants.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">This is a dose of reality !!!</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">From my point of view only, let’s assume this rule passes. This is my situation and the decisions I must consider. I’m willing to bet I am not alone.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><span>1)<span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I have been in Intermediate since 2004, 15 years this year (NSRCA 3083).</span></div>
<div class="yiv2182669075MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><span>2)<span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I wanted and could afford some of the best equipment on the market, and no I am not sponsored so this it is all out of pocket.</span></div>
<div class="yiv2182669075MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><span>3)<span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I currently own the following 2M Planes</span></div>
<div class="yiv2182669075MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><span>a.<span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">1 – Of 10 Allures made in this scheme from the World Championship painted in Red/White/Blue with Stars/Stripes.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><span>d.<span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">1 – 2M Acuity RTF</span></div>
<div class="yiv2182669075MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><span>e.<span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">1 – Considering purchasing a CK Aero Allure Bipe this summer.</span></div>
<div class="yiv2182669075MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><span><span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span>i.<span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">This has been a discussion back and forth with me and Bryan Hebert for 6+ months.</span></div>
<div class="yiv2182669075MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><span>f.<span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Every 2M Plane has a set of Wing Bags from Caroline.</span></div>
<div class="yiv2182669075MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><span>g.<span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I have 100% of all necessary Futaba equipment for the Allure and Alchemy, including Battery packs, 12+ (5S 5000mAh).</span></div>
<div class="yiv2182669075MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><span>4)<span style="font:7.0pt Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">My total investment in 2M Pattern planes is what, easily $15K+</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">You count my investment based on buying new with your own numbers… Color me stupid, dumb, silly, or maybe I just like the sexy 2M planes regardless how well I fly.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Given these facts, the unintended consequences are, I will have planes I can’t use and can’t sell to recover any sizeable part of my investment simply because of a rule change.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">More importantly, you have cost CK Aero, AJ Aircraft, and F3A Unlimited future revenue in a difficult market. Please explain how this is good for Pattern?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I don’t believe I am alone, but this is somehow going to cause me to want to stay in the NSRCA and be enthusiastic about promoting Pattern (sarcasm)?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Just so that it is clear, if this rule passes, it will force me out of the NSRCA within two years. If I continue to compete it will be in IMAC, SPA CPA, or some other discipline.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2182669075MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Which brings me to the real reason for the NSRCA decline. </span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:red;">We are the SIG for the AMA for Precision Aerobatics</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">. It is good to see we are, as a SIG, embracing F3P. We let the CPA and SPA get away and create a new SIGs or organizations, when the </span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:red;">National Society of Radio Controlled Aerobatics</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> should have been inclusive, not exclusive (you know, like “Elitist”, as painful as that sounds).</span></div>
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