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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thank you Charlie for your response.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>A grievance… Interesting thought. I wonder, would a grievance have changed the action? The comment is not relevant to the topic. It certainly would have not received any attention by a BoD that doesn’t see an issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I have read the BoD minutes “again” and I was never motivated or influenced by another member to make my posts or influence my thoughts, which I understand to be a bit scathing to those involved. Yes, I know where the meeting minutes are located. So your reference to the “Band wagon” is a bit offensive in my opinion. I did not jump on a band wagon. I am a member of the NSRCA that chooses to use the freedom of speech and challenge what I believe to have been an incorrect action and wrong doing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Since my post is the one you are responding to and the only one recently that I would perceive as being called out as vicious, I am befuddled and offended that you think my comments are politically motivated. This is a shame.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I did not say anything when I received the e-mail from my District VP initially a couple of weeks ago stating a tie at that point. But I was befuddled that such an e-mail was sent and real time results are being monitored and discussed by the BoDs. After it was challenged publicly I was befuddled again that not one BoD member sees anything wrong with the action and the poor perception it leaves with some of the NSRCA members at large, not even the NSRCA President in his response on the topic. I see it as being shallow to think the challenge is political.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I ask again because it didn’t get answered and is certainly not mentioned in the meeting minutes, </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>“Did anyone reach out to the Challenger and have the same discussion that the race was tied and to at least present some level of respect by the BoD and transparency to affected parties”</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>. Or, do we just proceed with arrogance and do as we please splitting hairs regarding the By-Laws and tell the community, if you don’t like it volunteer and don’t challenge our decisions because we are only volunteers that don’t get paid. Was there any thought about the repercussions of how it was handled or do we just make decisions and then try to explain it away when there is a public challenge. I assume the answers must be “No” as there is zero mention that even such a discussion took place.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Humility by the BoD and seeking to understand the points being made would go much further than trying to justify the action the BoD took. Based on the information in your response and the meeting minutes, the line was crossed when it was mentioned of a close call or a tie (the actual status of results). What should have been done is to <b><u>not discuss</u></b> the results until after the election was over. Based on your statement of accepting responsibility, that was your charge to keep the data confidential </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>and it was the BoD charge to address the compromise and level the playing field</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>. Instead of dealing with the concern we chose to bury it and minimize the issue as no big deal, what’s the problem. A discussion about getting the votes in should have been simply enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The lack of transparency and the attempt to explain away an action that was wrong simply breeds perception as it did (the truth be damned). Yes, I still believe the action by the BoD was wrong, even as you state it and documented in the meeting minutes</span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>. It should have immediately been recognized by someone on the BoD as a breach of confidentiality given a contested candidate leads the BoD meetings.</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Intended or not, perception and integrity should have won the day. I find it befuddling that such smart people who volunteered to be elected, and some are educated with management positions for real jobs or business owners, would not recognize this as a potential conflict of interest. Takes me back to the good ole’ days with the good ole’ boys. I was never one for clicks or a good ole’ boy mantra.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>”Don’t bother us with your petty complaints, just do as we tell you and like it”. To be honest, that is what it feels like to me on this issue which is befuddling.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Based on your response, were all the BoD members on board (in agreement) with this action. Did all 9 (per the meeting minutes) of you say, yep it’s a non-issue that we discuss the counts and details of the election? Did anyone object or at least question this? Did anyone step up and say, hey… We need to level the playing field and bring the Challenger into the equation for the sake of transparency?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>This is not the first time this group has had issues with transparency with the members at large and to me this is alarming. It is systemic. It needs to be corrected by the BoD regardless of who the members are.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Again, if the BoDs think my position and comments are too vicious or harsh or I am a rogue member, I politely invite you to tell me this is the case. I promise, I will go away quietly and find another playground. Until then, I will continue to address the shortfalls of decision making that result in decreasing membership. That is my motivation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Very Respectfully,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Larry Diamond</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charlie Barrera via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Fellow members of the NSCRA:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> I’ve watched this rhetoric go back and forth for several days now. I feel that as your secretary, I must explain the happenings at our recent board meeting, specifically elections. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As Secretary, I am tasked with a number of duties. I’m in charge of membership, board meeting minutes, and elections, to name a few. Yes I’m charged with elections. It is my responsibility to post candidates, coordinate web site voting, and of course, tally votes. There are two others that have access as administrators to our web site - the treasurer and the web master. Both of these men are current and in good standing in the NSRCA. They have the same access as I have. Because of my election responsibility, I check our web site everyday during this election month of December. I know who is ahead and who is behind. Have I ever disclosed this information to anyone - NO. However, at the board meeting I did disclose that voting for our two presidential candidates was very brisk. There has not been this number of votes cast in an election as long as I have been Secretary, and it was still early December. I had checked voting totals earlier that day and both candidates were tied in vote count. I urged our board members to express to their respective district members to vote, because it was a tight race. How this has become a question of ethics befuddles me. In no way were my comments meant to sway support for one candidate or the other. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My question now becomes the motivation of the original post. It seems that the person that authored the original post drew his own conclusions. Unfortunately, others jumped on the band wagon. To those that added their comments, I wonder if they read the meeting minutes themselves? Do they know how to access the minutes on our web site? Are they letting someone else do their thinking? Some of their comments were very disruptive and viscous. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It would have been unethical of me to not report everything that was discussed at that BoD meeting, but that is not the case. The meeting minutes are read and approved by all the board members before they are posted to our web site, so they are accurate. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I’m saddened that our discussion forum is being used for political purposes, and not for its original intent - pattern. If you have a grievance with our organization, contact your respective DVP. He, in turn, will present it to the board and the board will act on it. Or, if you still have a problem that is not heard, volunteer and run for office. That is how things are done - not by sniping at everyone or anything that you don’t agree with. Our president has addressed the boards actions only to be disregarded, or at the very least, marginalized. Let’s get on with our sport - build and fly pattern!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ok, I’m your new target. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>With respect and sincerity,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Charlie Barrera<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Secretary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>NSRCA<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 26, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Interesting comment...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My experience is that I have posted previous opinions of conflict in the past. I tried to stay out of this one, but obviously did not.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have a great deal of respect for those that serve. It is not about the person.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have never felt or experienced any payback from posting my views on sensitive issues.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Since my flying is crappy anyways, I don't think I would notice... lol<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757'>Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>From: lucky macy <<a href="mailto:luckymacy@hotmail.com">luckymacy@hotmail.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Date: 12/26/18 12:13 PM (GMT-06:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>To: Larry Diamond <<a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>>, General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It’ll be hilarious to read and listen to people talk about this spilling out into unfair judging next year and people getting back at people from the chair...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 26, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Scott McNickle , I truly appreciate everything you have done as the D4 VP, I would/will support you time and time again. You have always acted with integrity and putting others before yourself. My rant is regarding a point being made of which I simply disagree with.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>We need to stop acting like Elitists and start thinking about the NSRCA SIG as a whole.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The fact that we have volunteers (who were elected) does not provide a free pass in situations like this in my humble opinion.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I understand, appreciate, and respect that there are those that volunteer to put their name in the hat to be <u>Elected</u>… I will not look at situations like this with sympathy and feel bad for the appearance of some who use the platform and lower the bar.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>From an empathetic point of view, my point of view…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Any person that puts their name in the hat to become an “Elected Officer” of any organization accepts performing in that role for a bigger purpose/cause than themselves. To act in an ethical manner with integrity to SERVE the MEMBERSHIP of the community. By not doing so brings consequences of criticism that comes with the responsibility/accountability, one Volunteered for, by the membership at large.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Only speaking on this election debacle topic...</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>My questions still haven’t been answered. I will assume the results were not reviewed by the BoD at one time, or that a BoD decision was to review them and talk about them.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Who brought the issue to the table regarding the votes during the BoD meeting?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Who took it upon themselve’s to take the NSRCA on this ride?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Was there resistance in the BoD discussion, or are we so disconnected from the NSRCA Membership at large that we don’t care enough to act as an <u>Elected Volunteer Officer</u>?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I believe the membership at large is owed the answers.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Looking at the election results and leading a BoDs to take the actions and then work to sell the actions as acceptable has crossed the line from my point of view. Clearly there are many of us who believe this is wrong regardless of the outcome. It is a systemic issue of the decision making process with this group. Either no BoD member is challenging the decision(s), or all BoD members choose to be passive and accept whatever decision/direction is being made/offered. With this much conflict, surely the NSRCA elected somebody to make this challenge at the BoD level, even if they were over-ruled?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I challenge the BoD to tell me I’m wrong, publicly or privately. If it is believed that this principle I hold true is not valid in the eyes of the Volunteer Elected BoD, please let me know. I will most certainly find another Hobby that I will <u>Volunteer</u> to <u>spend my time</u> and <u>money</u> and <u>attend any event</u> to my liking as a member at large because I can’t be sympathetic to a cause in the NSRCA.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I belong to the NSRCA because at one time I identified with the principles/values. In order for me to offer a free pass because people simply “volunteered to be <b><u>elected</u></b>” and to act in an ethical manner with integrity, I would need to set aside my values and I will not do that. I will voice my concern and not accept being censored by BoDs who feels they are <b><u>ENTITLED</u></b> because they <b><u>Volunteered to be Elected</u></b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I am only one member and I suspect that I <b><u>volunteer</u></b> to support the NSRCA above the average member and ask nothing in return personally or financially. Does that make my view any less significant than someone who Volunteered to be Elected to serve on an Elected BoD? I don’t think so and I find the remarks about volunteering a bit whiny. If the BoDs would act with integrity and stop trying to pass it off as a good/acceptable thing, we would not be having this conversation/discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>Based on the facts posted in this discussion group, this BoDs (Present or Absent, no excuse) violated a code of conduct either written or implied</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> by looking at the results (has never been the practice of any previous BoD) and taking an action that was not inclusive of all those affected (both candidates). It doesn’t matter what the By-Laws state and attempt to skirt the line and try to sell it as somehow acceptable… It is about what is right and what is wrong, and integrity, it’s that simple. </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>If the Challenger was notified and took part in the decision making process on this topic, then Mea Culpa. </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>However, that is not what I have read or seen. For me, this appears (perception, unlike facts/truth) more of a cover-up to hide the truth (or a person’s action) than being up front and forthright about what happened with the membership.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If the BoD or NSRCA Members at large thinks I am being unfair/unreasonable, then please, again… Let me know (publicly or privately) so I can make the adult decision and find a SIG my values align with.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Otherwise, up your game and act with integrity instead of an appearance of a self-serving agenda without regard of the membership as a whole that is being perceived by some of us in the NSRCA community.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>I disagree with the point of guaranteeing folks won’t volunteer to take these positions</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>. If this direction/deflection continues, there will not be any members left to volunteer.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>There is <u>not</u> a good point taken sideways</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>, it was action with the perception of self-serving. That is why it has gone sideways. People making decision without correctly understanding or identifying the potential outcome.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Derek, you are absolutely correct in that </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>it is not good for the NSRCA</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If people could have been patient and waited for the outcome, we would not be in this position or having this debate/discussion. The issue on the table is not about promoting the election and getting people to vote.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>The issue is that the results were compromised by the few BoD and instead of leveling the playing field, we offered the NSRCA membership a smoke and mirrors <u>excuse</u> to somehow think it is acceptable for one party to hold all the cards, know the tabulation while not disclosing the facts to all those who have also VOLUNTEERED to be ELECTED.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>Again, if the Challenger was contacted and invited to be a part of the decision making process on how to handle the compromise, then none of this would have taken place. We then would have stated that all affected parties were aware and agreed to the direction. I don’t think we could have done that without identifying the indiscretion of a person(s). Logic tells me that the BoDs as a group did not decide to seek to review the results and take us down this path, thus the question is who and why? The answer is not “For the betterment of the NSRCA”. The answer is likely self-serving.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>My .02, As my favorite comedian says, “…That is only my opinion, I could be wrong… (dm)”</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>Very Respectfully,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>Larry Diamond</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>derek emmett via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 25, 2018 10:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> Scott McNickle <<a href="mailto:nelson_jett@comcast.net">nelson_jett@comcast.net</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Exactly Scott! This was my experience being part of the sequence committee... Oh, please, please sign me up for that again! ; )<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This continued public diatribe, that has gone completely sideways, almost guarantees you couldn’t pay an individual to take on any of these positions.<br><br>A good point taken completely sideways, then upside down needs to stop. This is not healthy for our community.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 25, 2018, at 7:02 AM, Scott McNickle via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>OK, let me get this straight...you think someone would cheat to get a job that pays nothing, takes up a lot of time and sets you up to be sniped at by anyone feeling cranky on a particular day, or just in general? And you think that the Board of Directors, who devote countless hours trying to promote and maintain our hobby, put lots of thought into trying to produce interesting K Factor columns for you to read every month, and often spend considerable amounts of their own money attending Pattern-related events when they might rather be doing something else, would conspire to favor one volunteer over another?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>And you want to 'censure' us?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Well, that's just hilarious.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Scott McNickle</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On December 24, 2018 at 6:48 PM Ken Dunlap via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Joe.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>In your words " </span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>There is</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>not</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>a requirement (implied or otherwise) for a veil of secrecy in the process." So, in this spirit I have a couple of questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>1) Did you see or were you made aware of the actual vote count in your race?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>2) Did you see or were you made aware of the number of NSCRA members who have voted to date?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>3) If you saw or were made aware of vote numbers, did you have access to who a member voted for in this election?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>4) Was this information shared at the same time with all candidates or their representatives for each race?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>5) Under the NSRCA By-Laws and Constitution, Article VIII Section 2e says "</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>e. A third party to the NSRCA such as an external audit group of the AMA should count all votes." If actual voting number totals were revealed, was a potential conflict with the By-laws discussed by any member of the Board and who did so?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#444752;background:white'>Thanks for the clarifications.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#444752;background:white'>Ken Dunlap</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id=ox-2261675ff5-divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of J via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Sunday, December 23, 2018 9:38 PM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> Tony Frackowiak; General pattern discussion<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Good evening all,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>First, thank you Tony F. for starting this thread as it is great to see interest in the process. As a point of information, the Board did indeed discuss the status of the elections at the December 2018 meeting, as clearly reflected in the minutes. This was done for two reasons. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1. To verify that everything was up and running properly, and<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2. To encourage as much of the membership as possible to cast their vote.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The DVP’s were encouraged to reach out to their local members to vote, which you still can do for the next week or so. Please, encourage all who have not voted to please do so for whomever they like. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It’s great to see such passion about the process. It’s also helpful to stick to what we know to be true and factual. There is <strong>not</strong> a requirement (implied or otherwise) for a veil of secrecy in the process. Any suggestion otherwise is simply incorrect. Also, there was no advocating one candidate over another. There was however, excitement in people participating in the electronic ballot process. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here’s the good news. If you feel strongly enough to change the voting process, you have that power and can submit that request to modify the bylaws as a member. You also have to opportunity to whip votes for the Candidate of your choosing until voting closes on December 31, with an electronic vote, or a written ballot for an additional 10 calendar days per the bylaws. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>So, tell all your friends that time is running short to let your voice be heard. Go online now and cast your vote ( <a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nsrca.us%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2e1c3cf00346458d1ec708d66948f90d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636812159472751011&sdata=Ur18IEwJ2zs17bNLkbnBiBQK%2B8DAgZks3UT9HE74xOY%3D&reserved=0">https://www.nsrca.us/</a>). Every vote matters!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div id="ox-2261675ff5-x_AppleMailSignature"><p class=MsoNormal>Joe<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 22, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion < <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I was looking at the minutes of the December 12th NSRCA BOD meeting. During that meeting according to the minutes there was a discussion about the current vote count in the election. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Isn’t voting open until the end of the month? And isn’t there a longer time for mailed in ballots to be received? Why are the votes being tallied and discussed by the Board before the end of the voting period?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That is highly unethical and smacks of voting fraud. At the very least it sounds like an attempt to influence the results. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I will await a reply. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tony Frackowiak <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list <br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <br><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.nsrca.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnsrca-discussion&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2e1c3cf00346458d1ec708d66948f90d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636812159472751011&sdata=hKgxO3s%2B4yRz5BVnpc5NNoac6CyoHRWEODwxGq6zVQ4%3D&reserved=0">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=default-style><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><br> </span><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________ <br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list <br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=default-style><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><br> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>