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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>As a member of the NSRCA, I would like to know and have it made public:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Who brought the “count being close concern” to the table for the BoD to discuss?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Two simple test question:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>There is only one contested office. Did both candidates have the same information that was discussed by the BoD?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If yes, non-issue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If not, this is an ethical issue that was not handled by the BoD properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Did both candidates have say in the discussion of the BoD for this issue?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If the answer is no, then there is clearly an unfair advantage. The premise and conclusion can only be one party has the data and can influence the outcome without the other being able to check and balance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If the incumbent President did not abstain from the BoD discussion, this is a significant ethical issue in my book.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The responses minimizing the issue give me an impression of the Elitist stigma this NSRCA SIG is known for. We continue down this path and we will have less than 410 members very soon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Cliff Bradford [mailto:cliff357b@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> Vogel, Peter <Peter_Vogel@intuit.com><br><b>Cc:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>; Larry Diamond <ldiamond@diamondrc.com>; davel322@comcast.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If and only if the Board members met in secret and discussed the election I could see a issue that the election possibly wasn’t fair and it could be concluded that it was tainted, <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But that isn’t what happened!!! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Any member worthy of a position in the nsrca is following the election, it’s not a secret, EVERYONE KNOWS ITS CLOSE. The discussion during a board meeting that results were close and <span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>might require a runoff is/was made public.</span> Because the discussion was made public I see no issue or unfair advantage to any member.The Board can’t change anyone’s vote. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And By the Way : <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 9:40 AM Vogel, Peter <<a href="mailto:Peter_Vogel@intuit.com">Peter_Vogel@intuit.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would agree with you if that were the case Dave, but...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Disclaimer: I was not at the board meeting in question however...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If the knowledge that “the vote is very close” had been kept secret to the board, THEN we would have an ethics issue as it would allow the incumbent candidate to sway things. However, the action the board took was to tell *everyone* via this list, district lists, AND Facebook “the vote is close, voting closes on Dec 31st” to encourage participation of the entire membership. In my mind that’s not trying to sway the vote as it is telling everyone the same thing, regardless of which candidate they support. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Get <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" target="_blank">Outlook for iOS</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="m_8224221263861950700divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>> on behalf of davel322--- via NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Cliff Bradford'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Larry Diamond'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='border:solid #FFDC00 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFDC00'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ariel",serif;color:#0072C6'>This email is from an external sender. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If one candidate is aware of the vote count, and another candidate is not aware of the vote count, is that fair? Does one candidate have an advantage?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If one candidate has an unfair advantage due to structural administrative process/error…..the election is tainted.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>Dave<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cliff Bradford via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>; Larry Diamond <<a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There are only 410 nsrca members, voting electronically assures you must be logged in and can only vote once. I’m sure any mail in ballots will be verified for membership and authenticity. As long as we don’t receive 411 or more ballots I see no issue. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think it is the boards duty to keep track of the election process. To think that it’s possibe to sway the election by knowing its a close election is silly. In fact it may incourage a higher participation percentage and that is all good. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The board cannot change the ballots.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We are a very small group and getting smaller because of things like this. I’m good with the election as it stands, if the board caves to the peer pressure and tosses this one, it would not change my vote. Would it change yours? That would be more damaging than the board discussion about how close the election was. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Perhaps we should contact the FBI to investigate any possible consequences!!!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 8:07 AM Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Almost feels like a lynching of the election.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>If the real time vote tallies were not compromised, would everyone still think the Election should be voided? I would not. However, we may still have an integrity or ethics issue the BoD needs to deal with it, if a BoD member made such a comment as it is reckless to imply knowledge of the ongoing results. If it was not a BoD member that made the comment, then freedom of speech prevails and it’s a non-issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>We need to know the facts. The BoD needs to take control and investigate it. If the facts are that the count was compromised, then the results should be voided and a new voting period began.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Best Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Larry Diamond</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Dunlap via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> David Harmon <<a href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">k6xyz@sbcglobal.net</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>+1<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This is wrong at so many levels. Let’s void this election. You just don’t start tallying ballots before the election closes. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ken Dunlap <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Get <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" target="_blank">Outlook for iOS</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="m_8224221263861950700m_6384662961374321769divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span style='color:black'>> on behalf of David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><span style='color:black'>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:07:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Plus 2 or 3 or 16…..jeeeze…</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>David Harmon</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>NSRCA 586</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>AMA 5053</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> Pete Cosky <<a href="mailto:pcosky@comcast.net" target="_blank">pcosky@comcast.net</a>>; Frackowiak Tony <<a href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Yes agreed <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We will have to nullify the election and start a new process <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jonathan Bruml<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Techstyles<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.techstyles.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc417d0380fc94894a51508d66894835c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636811384401721519&sdata=8YtFAcPkiKTqJ6VMIogt9GD3FIjqTYG9ijvYvIOFD%2FI%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">www.techstyles.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="m_8224221263861950700m_6384662961374321769divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span style='color:black'>> on behalf of Pete Cosky via NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><span style='color:black'>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> Frackowiak Tony; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It may be the end of days because I agree with Frak. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There is absolutely no reason why the data should have been available let alone discussed. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The big question now is how do we recover? <o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_8224221263861950700m_6384662961374321769AppleMailSignature"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from my<span class=m8224221263861950700m6384662961374321769apple-style-span> mobile device</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’m sorry that you don’t see the impropriety here. You have an incumbent officer running for re-election able to see just how close the election is and then being able to drum up more votes for himself. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This election is now tainted. No one should be able to see the vote tally before the voting period has ended. The election should be nullified, the party or parties involved in releasing the vote tally prior to the conclusion of voting should be censured and removed from the process. The election should be held again and the voting results sent to an outside party. After the end of their normal term no decisions should be made by the BOD until a proper election can be held and the newly elected officers installed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Should we as NSRCA members not be allowed a fair election?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Tony Frackowiak<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Dec 22, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Monte Richard <<a href="mailto:mrichard@compassengineering.com" target="_blank">mrichard@compassengineering.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The discussion was centered around the fact that the voting was close to encourage the district Vice Presidents to encourage the members in their districts to cast their votes. It appears to have worked as this election looks like it will have the highest voter turnout in NSRCA history. Certainly a lot higher then the previous election which only had a voter turnout of 12 members.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Sent from my iPhone</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>On Dec 22, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:purple'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrcaorg</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I was looking at the minutes of the December 12th NSRCA BOD meeting. During that meeting according to the minutes there was a discussion about the current vote count in the election. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Isn’t voting open until the end of the month? And isn’t there a longer time for mailed in ballots to be received? Why are the votes being tallied and discussed by the Board before the end of the voting period?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>That is highly unethical and smacks of voting fraud. At the very least it sounds like an attempt to influence the results. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I will await a reply. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Tony Frackowiak </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:purple'>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br></span><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.nsrca.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnsrca-discussion&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc417d0380fc94894a51508d66894835c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636811384401721519&sdata=8j%2BjZJQx3EK3OhjJQARvsxSpfDsfq7oHH9dMIvsZi2A%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:purple'>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>(c) 2018 Compass Engineering & Consultants, LLC. 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