<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I’m pleased to read there are so many conservatives on the list. The sole purpose of electronic voting is to manipulate and rig elections. <div><br></div><div>Of course, I don’t believe that about the NSRCA, or that as an intent of the casual announcement as well. </div><div><br></div><div>Part-n-parcel to electronic voting as a system/SW platform is “eyes-in” to the process and Talley, while saving postage and such. It would be naive to believe that electronic voting methods don’t allow for or entail such details or observation and as such, and it justifies some casual announcement of the status prior to it ending. Just be glad that “ballot harvesting” after the election isn’t being used (like in CA). <br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>And good luck of course to the winners. Looking forward to going the D7 circuit in 2019. </div><div>Jim</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Dec 23, 2018, at 1:00 PM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Peter, that is flawed logic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For me it is very disturbing that there was a discussion with the BoD regarding knowledge about the fact it was close.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This presumes there is knowledge of what the count is actually at moment, meaning who was leading and by how many votes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Now we are saying that it is acceptable that the actual count is known by the BoD and not all NSRCA members and that is somehow acceptable. This is clearly an unfair advantage and the election is NOT ethical… I don’t care who is/was leading…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Larry Diamond</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Vogel, Peter [<a href="mailto:Peter_Vogel@intuit.com">mailto:Peter_Vogel@intuit.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">davel322@comcast.net</a>; 'Cliff Bradford' <<a href="mailto:cliff357b@gmail.com">cliff357b@gmail.com</a>>; 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>; 'Larry Diamond' <<a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I would agree with you if that were the case Dave, but...<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Disclaimer: I was not at the board meeting in question however...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If the knowledge that “the vote is very close” had been kept secret to the board, THEN we would have an ethics issue as it would allow the incumbent candidate to sway things. However, the action the board took was to tell *everyone* via this list, district lists, AND Facebook “the vote is close, voting closes on Dec 31st” to encourage participation of the entire membership. In my mind that’s not trying to sway the vote as it is telling everyone the same thing, regardless of which candidate they support. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Get <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef">Outlook for iOS</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></div><div id="divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of davel322--- via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Cliff Bradford'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Larry Diamond'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style="border:solid #FFDC00 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFDC00"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ariel",serif;color:#0072C6">This email is from an external sender. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If one candidate is aware of the vote count, and another candidate is not aware of the vote count, is that fair? Does one candidate have an advantage?<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">If one candidate has an unfair advantage due to structural administrative process/error…..the election is tainted.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Dave<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cliff Bradford via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>; Larry Diamond <<a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There are only 410 nsrca members, voting electronically assures you must be logged in and can only vote once. I’m sure any mail in ballots will be verified for membership and authenticity. As long as we don’t receive 411 or more ballots I see no issue. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I think it is the boards duty to keep track of the election process. To think that it’s possibe to sway the election by knowing its a close election is silly. In fact it may incourage a higher participation percentage and that is all good. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The board cannot change the ballots.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">We are a very small group and getting smaller because of things like this. I’m good with the election as it stands, if the board caves to the peer pressure and tosses this one, it would not change my vote. Would it change yours? That would be more damaging than the board discussion about how close the election was. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps we should contact the FBI to investigate any possible consequences!!!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 8:07 AM Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Almost feels like a lynching of the election.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If the real time vote tallies were not compromised, would everyone still think the Election should be voided? I would not. However, we may still have an integrity or ethics issue the BoD needs to deal with it, if a BoD member made such a comment as it is reckless to imply knowledge of the ongoing results. If it was not a BoD member that made the comment, then freedom of speech prevails and it’s a non-issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We need to know the facts. The BoD needs to take control and investigate it. If the facts are that the count was compromised, then the results should be voided and a new voting period began.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Larry Diamond</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Dunlap via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> David Harmon <<a href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">k6xyz@sbcglobal.net</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">+1<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This is wrong at so many levels. Let’s void this election. You just don’t start tallying ballots before the election closes. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ken Dunlap <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Get <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" target="_blank">Outlook for iOS</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></div><div id="m_6384662961374321769divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:07:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D">Plus 2 or 3 or 16…..jeeeze…</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D">David Harmon</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D">NSRCA 586</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D">AMA 5053</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> Pete Cosky <<a href="mailto:pcosky@comcast.net" target="_blank">pcosky@comcast.net</a>>; Frackowiak Tony <<a href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yes agreed <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">We will have to nullify the election and start a new process <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan Bruml<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Techstyles<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.techstyles.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc417d0380fc94894a51508d66894835c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636811384401721519&sdata=8YtFAcPkiKTqJ6VMIogt9GD3FIjqTYG9ijvYvIOFD%2FI%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">www.techstyles.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></div><div id="m_6384662961374321769divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of Pete Cosky via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> Frackowiak Tony; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Election </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">It may be the end of days because I agree with Frak. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There is absolutely no reason why the data should have been available let alone discussed. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The big question now is how do we recover? <o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_6384662961374321769AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my<span class="m6384662961374321769apple-style-span"> mobile device</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">I’m sorry that you don’t see the impropriety here. You have an incumbent officer running for re-election able to see just how close the election is and then being able to drum up more votes for himself. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This election is now tainted. No one should be able to see the vote tally before the voting period has ended. The election should be nullified, the party or parties involved in releasing the vote tally prior to the conclusion of voting should be censured and removed from the process. The election should be held again and the voting results sent to an outside party. After the end of their normal term no decisions should be made by the BOD until a proper election can be held and the newly elected officers installed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Should we as NSRCA members not be allowed a fair election?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Tony Frackowiak<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 22, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Monte Richard <<a href="mailto:mrichard@compassengineering.com" target="_blank">mrichard@compassengineering.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">The discussion was centered around the fact that the voting was close to encourage the district Vice Presidents to encourage the members in their districts to cast their votes. It appears to have worked as this election looks like it will have the highest voter turnout in NSRCA history. Certainly a lot higher then the previous election which only had a voter turnout of 12 members.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Sent from my iPhone</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>On Dec 22, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrcaorg</span></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I was looking at the minutes of the December 12th NSRCA BOD meeting. During that meeting according to the minutes there was a discussion about the current vote count in the election. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Isn’t voting open until the end of the month? And isn’t there a longer time for mailed in ballots to be received? Why are the votes being tallied and discussed by the Board before the end of the voting period?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">That is highly unethical and smacks of voting fraud. At the very least it sounds like an attempt to influence the results. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I will await a reply. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Tony Frackowiak </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><br><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.nsrca.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnsrca-discussion&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc417d0380fc94894a51508d66894835c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636811384401721519&sdata=8j%2BjZJQx3EK3OhjJQARvsxSpfDsfq7oHH9dMIvsZi2A%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>(c) 2018 Compass Engineering & Consultants, LLC. 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