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As John mentioned, this rule was proposed last cycle and was shot down pretty aggressively based primarily upon AMA safety rules. We felt that the AMA should take the lead on this. As Steve pointed out, there are AMA guidelines about procedures that don’t
dictate how to build the airplane. In the end, if I can’t see that the battery is disconnected… it’s a moot point. No one wanted a rule that requires the canopy left off so that everyone could see the battery.
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<div class="">The AMA is unlikely to pass a required external disconnect rule simply due to the number of BNF/Arfs that don’t have them and would require people to alter their brand new airplanes to be legal to fly. Not to mention on smaller planes it does
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<div class="">I’m still amazed at the number of people that trust their radio when it comes to arming. Shutting off the radio (as we all know) does not disarm the plane, but I see so many that feel comfortable that it does. And worse, they use a magnetic
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<div class="">The best thing we can do is teach and exhibit good practices, and call people out when they don’t. </div>
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<div class="">On Sep 26, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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It would have prevented the Oxai pit incident, unless the pilot armed his plane in the pit...</p>
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As I said elsewhere, <strong class="">an external arming device will not solve all the problems in the universe</strong>, but it does provide an extra layer of safety for el planes.</p>
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On September 26, 2018 at 11:47 AM Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:
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physically connected unless the model is on the runway.</span></span></p>
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the motor/engine comes to a complete stop or a minimum idle if it were to lose signal from the transmitter.</span></span></p>
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<div class="">To: Joe Lachowski <<a href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com" class="">jlachow@hotmail.com</a>>, Vicente Bortone <<a href="mailto:vincebrc@gmail.com" class="">vincebrc@gmail.com</a>>, General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Okay how about the FAi pilot who accidentally advanced his throttle in the pits at a June contest and destroyed the entire back end of an Oxai ?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">This is real experience. About 3-4 years ago I was getting ready to fly with another friend. Both of our planes were already in the pits and we just were talking before starting the day. A pilot came with an electric plane and parked
between us. He left it there and decided that he needs to go and get something. About a minute later his plane came to live suddenly and took us from the pits. It starting to do an small loop and was coming directly toward us. It was so fast that my friend
said "take cover". We were lucky that the plane crashed in front of us and there were no more pilots flying or around. It was so fast that I didn't have time to move an inch and could have hit us easily. The plane didn't have an arming switch outside so
there was no way for us to know if was armed. The owner came and we never were able to figure out what really happened.
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<div class="">I think makes sense to put together a formal request that will require external disconnect outside the electric powered planes. It is easy to justify since is already a requirement of the National Electrical Code and OSHA. Anyone out there wants
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<div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Rule says you must disarm the plane before bringing into the pits, does not say how. That can mean take off canopy and unplug. I’ve moved to using a Jeti anti-spark bullet in-line on the red side of the battery-esc connection
with the bullet routed to the outside of the plane. Quick, simple, foolproof. Anti-spark prevents carbon buildup on the bullets.</div>
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Guys, what is the current status of arming devices in NSRCA for you electric airplanes? Does anyone know what the AMA says about arming devices -- I can't find my way around the new web site yet, and this is the easy way out! lol</p>
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