<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Fair enough. I can see how my messages could be interpreted as conflicting. <div><br></div><div>I believe your understanding correctly reflects the process we are taking. We will be reaching out by phone to the folks that are active, but do not use email. We will need to produce the form and call folks, which does have some time associated with the effort, but we will give the full 30 days response time from when contact is made to allow people adequate time to respond. <br><br><div>Joe Walker</div><div><br>On Dec 7, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Frackowiak Tony <<a href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div>Joe,<div><br></div><div>This was sent out before I saw your email. I do believe your statements in the second email on the 5th do tend to conflict, or at least they made things to me less clear.</div><div><br></div><div>To be clear, as I understand it, an email will be sent to all NSRCA members in District 7. In that email will be a PDF form that can be printed and mailed in. Also, details of how to vote online will be included in that email. Can I assume if there is no email address on record for a District 7 member that a ballot will be mailed to them?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Tony Frackowiak</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 7, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Joe Walker wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512593750453_342633"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512593750453_342631"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512593750453_342630">It's not conflicting. All of those posts acknowledge that a mailed in ballot should be counted if you choose to use that method to vote. See my previous post, which echoes that as well. I do stand by the statement that a mass mailing is a waste of resources.</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512593750453_342538"><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512593750453_342540"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512593750453_342639"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512593750453_342539">The concern has been heard, </span>acknowledged that it is worth discussion, discussed, and now resolved. This is how the process should work. Where's there is room for improvement, we will make every effort to improve. </font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512593750453_342527"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512593750453_342526"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512593750453_342636">Joe Walker</font></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 3:43 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8344351814"><div>Peter,<div><br></div><div>Put out by Joe on Dec. 5th,</div><div><br></div><div><div id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677411" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677593"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677592">Good morning Tony,</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677412"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677601">I appreciate your input! Though the Bylaws do not specify a timeline for voting, nor a format for the ballots, we recognize that the spirit of the requirement is to be as inclusive as possible. With that in mind, the BoD will also be sending out mailed ballots to those districts that have more than one person running for the DVP position. If the timeline for the arrival of those ballots does not give adequate time for response prior to the end of the year, we will extend the deadline for receiving ballots to allow a full 30 days response time. So, we are indeed following the bylaws with recognition that the suggested time has been shortened, which we are making accommodations to correct.</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span><font size="3">Now, go cast your vote!</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677499"><font size="3">Best,</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677498"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677597">Joe Walker, NSRCA President</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677498"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677597"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677498"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677597"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677498"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677597"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677498"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677597">Later put out by Joe on Dec. 5th,</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677498"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677597"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677498"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677597"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742888"><span id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742705">Thanks Jon, Jon and Peter for the input. It's spot on and reflects how we are supposed to be functioning as an organization (electronically... Especially since most of the discussions happen on this forum, which is an electronic format). </span>The discussion to mail out ballots to members in districts with a contested election (D7 in this case) would be an extra effort beyond that which is required by the Bylaws. The current district VP's where a vote would occur could certainly reach out to the local members and determine if a paper ballot is required and or desired. Certainly if there is not a good reason to spend the extra money, let's not just waste our resources.</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3">Tony,</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_743271">Does this adequately address your concerns? If not, I don't think it's too much to ask to shift the deadline for the vote just a few weeks to accommodate snail mail for D7 folks that desire a paper ballot.</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3">Thanks!</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3">Joe Walker</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3">You don't see that as conflicting?</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704" style="font-size:10px;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704">Tony</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8344351814yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><br></div></font></span></div></div><div><div>On Dec 7, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Peter Vogel wrote:</div><br class="yiv8344351814Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Tony, I see *no* conflicting information from Joe. We are *quite clear* and consistent with a decade of past practice: we *distribute* the ballots electronically via <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://nsrca.us/">NSRCA.us</a> where any member can vote. As in the past, if any member *wishes* to vote by paper, he/she can do so by *mailing* their vote to the Secretary. To my knowledge, that mechanism has *never* been used.<div><br></div><div>Who, exactly, are you concerned will not be able to vote because of our distribution mechanism? I would be happy to ask Charlie to reach out to him/her and ensure that they are able to vote</div><div><br></div><div>Peter+</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="yiv8344351814gmail_extra"><br><div class="yiv8344351814gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Tony Frackowiak via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv8344351814gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>Thank you for that kind comment Ron. It is truly appreciated. I am just trying to get a confirmation from the BOD as they, primarily the president, have put out conflicting info on this list. <div><br></div><div>Derek, you do not speak for the BOD, do you? Last time I looked you are not listed as a current officer. I am just asking questions and so far not getting answers from the BOD. And I am running for office. Can I count on your support?<br><br><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408AppleMailSignature">Tony Frackowiak </div><div><div class="yiv8344351814h5"><div><br>On Dec 7, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Ronald Van Putte <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Tony - Do you want some cheese with that whine?<div><br></div><div>RVP</div><div><br></div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 7, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;">Same old, same old. We did it before so it is correct now. If you complain now you are wrong, because that is how we did it before. So if you make a mistake before, it doesn't have to be corrected now.<div><br></div><div>Why not make it easier. Change the bylaws to - We will have elections in any manner we please.</div><div><br></div><div>Tony Frackowiak</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 7, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:</div><br class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-spacing:0px;font-size:inherit;"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408WordSection1"><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Please read the meeting minutes of November 8, 2012. The bylaws as written do not specifically state electronic voting but were written generically enough to allow the board to make a decision on how to distribute ballots. So if the board decides to use the website, then that’s what will happen. Since a precedent was set a number of years ago (either by Eric Henderson or Lamar Blair), we’ve continued with using electronic voting since then.<u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;color:rgb(68,71,82);background-color:white;">c. Ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members, whenever possible, by the end of November of the election year in a manner approved by the Board of Directors.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Why have you not complained about this in past years? All of a sudden this is an issue now?<u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;border-top-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;"><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;">From:<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;">NSRCA-discussion <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">nsrca-discussion-bounces@ lists.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of NSRCA List <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>><br><b>Reply-To:<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">frackowiak@ sbcglobal.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a>>, NSRCA List <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:40 AM<br><b>To:<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>NSRCA List <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: District Vice President Elections<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><a rel="nofollow" name="m_5297001019702401408__MailOriginalBody" href="x-msg://552/">I have yet to hear anything about my requests made on the 5th.<u></u><u></u></a></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Tony Frackowiak<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Begin forwarded message:<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">From:<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b></span><span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">Frackowiak Tony <</span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">></span></span><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">Date:<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b></span><span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">December 5, 2017 5:48:21 PM PST</span></span><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">To:<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b></span><span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">Joe Walker <</span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vellum2@bellsouthnet" target="_blank" href="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">vellum2@bellsouth.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">>, General pattern discussion <</span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">></span></span><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District Vice President Elections</span></b></span><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Please forward me the updated bylaws that allow electronic voting. Because the ones marked as January 2013 that are on the website now do not even mention it. If that is what was desired then that is how it should be described in the bylaws. Also, please forward to me the email that was sent to "all" members about voting as I never received an email directly from the NSRCA. Just through this list which is definitely not to "all" members. Also, the bylaws do not allow for "ballots" sent in by membership that were not sent to the members first.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>The organization must select it's officers by the method outlined in the bylaws. Not by some vague interpretation of the bylaws.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Tony Frackowiak<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Joe Walker via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:00001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Thanks Jon, Jon and Peter for the input. It's spot on and reflects how we are supposed to be functioning as an organization (electronically... Especially since most of the discussions happen on this forum, which is an electronic format). The discussion to mail out ballots to members in districts with a contested election (D7 in this case) would be an extra effort beyond that which is required by the Bylaws. The current district VP's where a vote would occur could certainly reach out to the local members and determine if a paper ballot is required and or desired. Certainly if there is not a good reason to spend the extra money, let's not just waste our resources.</span></span><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Tony,</span></span><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Does this adequately address your concerns? If not, I don't think it's too much to ask to shift the deadline for the vote just a few weeks to accommodate snail mail for D7 folks that desire a paper ballot.</span></span><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Thanks!</span></span><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Joe Walker</span></span><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:120pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:15 PM, Peter Vogel <</span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">vogel.peter@gmail.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">> wrote:</span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></div><div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970"><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">As a more complete answer, as the NSRCA website is available to *all* members, and notification of the ballot being available is e-mailed to *all* members that constitutes "distribution" from a legal perspective (this has been legally tested by a variety of Homeowners association lawsuits in the past decade). We are required to also accept (at the secretary's postal address) a snail-mail letter from a member indicating their vote. The secretary would then validate the member's address and that they did not also vote online and count the paper "ballot".<u></u><u></u></span></span></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">But as the NSRCA membership as a whole, given the technical nature of our hobby, tends to be more technically savvy, electronic voting is the norm and I am unaware of anyone taking the paper option since we moved to enable electronic balloting.<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Paper ballots to the whole membership would be a huge expense from a budget perspective, which is why the bylaws were amended several years back to enable a primarily electronic vote.<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">It's also *much* easier to audit the results as every member must login to vote and we capture the date and time of their vote and ensure only one vote is cast per member.<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:00001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Peter+<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:120pt;">On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion <</span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></span></div><blockquote type="cite" style="border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-color:initial;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding-top:0in;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970yqt88962"><div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="">Not sure what the hub bub is all about</span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="">Go to nsrca and vote!</span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="">Done!</span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style=""> </span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="">Jonathan Bruml</span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="">Techstyles Sportswear</span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style=""> </span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span></span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://wwwfacebook.com/TechstylesSportswear" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue';"><image001.png></span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style=""> </span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><b><span style="">From:</span></b></span><span><span style=""><span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [mailto:</span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue';">nsrca-discussion- bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="">]<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, December 05, 2017 11:03 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue';">nsrca-discussion@lists. nsrca. org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="">;<span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue';">vellum2@bellsouth.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style=""><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue';">nsrca-discussion@lists. nsrca. org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style=""><br><span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970"><b>Subject:</b><span class="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District Vice President Elections</span></span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Tony,<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:00001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><br>If this helps, I know that when I was president, the membership voted to take out of the bylaws the specific requirement for mailed ballots. The bylaws allow for distribution of ballots by a manner ok'd by the BoD The website posting of the election and casting votes electronically was considered distribution of the ballots. Subsequent votes were primarily done via the website, as I recall.<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Jon<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div class="yiv8344351814MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;text-align:center;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><hr size="0" width="100%" noshade="" align="center" style="color:rgb(153,153,153);"></span></span></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(153,153,153);">On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <</span></span><span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(153,153,153);">> wrote:</span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970m_-8925380197986766122AOLMsgPart_1.2_ff4101f9-3106-4d00-8d78-179118f4efa9"><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Joe,<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Thank you for the reply. <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Please explain to me how website voting conforms to the wording of the Bylaws? Bylaws says that ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members. It also says in a manner approved by the BOD, but you still must distribute ballots. Voting on a website does not do that. <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">In my opinion, according to the bylaws, the only valid voting is from ballots that have been sent out to the members and returned by them. If I am incorrect please explain.<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:675pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Tony Frackowiak<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Joe Walker wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970m_-8925380197986766122yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677411"><div style="margin-bottom:675pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Good morning Tony,<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970m_-8925380197986766122yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413"><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">I appreciate your input! Though the Bylaws do not specify a timeline for voting, nor a format for the ballots, we recognize that the spirit of the requirement is to be as inclusive as possible. With that in mind, the BoD will also be sending out mailed ballots to those districts that have more than one person running for the DVP position. If the timeline for the arrival of those ballots does not give adequate time for response prior to the end of the year, we will extend the deadline for receiving ballots to allow a full 30 days response time. So, we are indeed following the bylaws with recognition that the suggested time has been shortened, which we are making accommodations to correct.<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970m_-8925380197986766122yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413"><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"> </span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970m_-8925380197986766122yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413"><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Now, go cast your vote!<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970m_-8925380197986766122yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413"><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"> </span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970m_-8925380197986766122yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413"><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970m_-8925380197986766122yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_677413"><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Joe Walker, NSRCA President<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:00001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"> </span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:10pt;">On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:59 AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <</span></span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:10pt;">> wrote:</span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970m_-8925380197986766122yiv3881958837"><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">How does this process agree with the NSRCA Bylaws as posted on the NSRCA website? Here they are,<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:100pt;">e. Ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members, whenever possible, by the end of November of the election year in a manner approved by the Board of Directors.</span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Were ballots sent out to those on the districts with a contested election? If not, why not?<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Tony Frackowiak<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8344351814m_5297001019702401408yiv5547406970m_-8925380197986766122yiv3881958837yqt00841"><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">On Dec 5, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Charlie Barrera via NSRCA-discussi<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">on wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;background-color:white;"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;">Voting is now open for your respective District Vice President representative for the term years 2018-2019. Voting closes on December 31, 2017, at midnight. It is open to all current NSRCA members in good standing. After logging in, follow the link on the NSRCA web site. Please vote Results will be tallied and posted in mid January. 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