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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I myself know 2 people just in D4 that are seen at every contest in our district, very active, and do not have computers or a way of getting emails. </p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 7, 2017 2:51:20 PM<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">The bylaws probably need to be made clearer. What do you do if you have member who does not use or have access to a computer? In this day and age everyone probably does, but you just never know. And is there a way
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Frackowiak Tony<br>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Only YOU are saying it is a mistake, Tony. No one else has raised this non-issue in the past. Again, the BoD determines how the election ballots will be distributed and they have the right to do that (as written in the bylaws). If
you don’t like it, then get elected and offer a solution.</p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 10:40 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz@gmail.com><br>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Same old, same old. We did it before so it is correct now. If you complain now you are wrong, because that is how we did it before. So if you make a mistake before, it doesn't have to be corrected now.</p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Why not make it easier. Change the bylaws to - We will have elections in any manner we please.</p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Please read the meeting minutes of November 8, 2012. The bylaws as written do not specifically state electronic voting but were written generically enough to allow the board to make a decision on how to distribute ballots. So if the
board decides to use the website, then that’s what will happen. Since a precedent was set a number of years ago (either by Eric Henderson or Lamar Blair), we’ve continued with using electronic voting since then.</p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="background:white; color:rgb(68,71,82); font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; font-size:10pt">c. Ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members, whenever possible, by the end of November of the election year in a
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Why have you not complained about this in past years? All of a sudden this is an issue now?</p>
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<b>Date:<span class="x_x_apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:40 AM<br>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><a name="x_x__MailOriginalBody">I have yet to hear anything about my requests made on the 5th.</a></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span>Please forward me the updated bylaws that allow electronic voting. Because the ones marked as January 2013 that are on the website now do not even mention it. If that is what was desired then that is how it should be described
in the bylaws. Also, please forward to me the email that was sent to "all" members about voting as I never received an email directly from the NSRCA. Just through this list which is definitely not to "all" members. Also, the bylaws do not allow for "ballots"
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Especially since most of the discussions happen on this forum, which is an electronic format). The discussion to mail out ballots to members in districts with a contested election (D7 in this case) would be an extra effort beyond that which is required by
the Bylaws. The current district VP's where a vote would occur could certainly reach out to the local members and determine if a paper ballot is required and or desired. Certainly if there is not a good reason to spend the extra money, let's not just waste
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black; font-family:"Helvetica Neue"; font-size:12pt">Does this adequately address your concerns? If not, I don't think it's too much to ask to shift the deadline for the vote just a
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e-mailed to *all* members that constitutes "distribution" from a legal perspective (this has been legally tested by a variety of Homeowners association lawsuits in the past decade). We are required to also accept (at the secretary's postal address) a snail-mail
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If this helps, I know that when I was president, the membership voted to take out of the bylaws the specific requirement for mailed ballots. The bylaws allow for distribution of ballots by a manner ok'd by the BoD. The website posting of the election and casting
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does not give adequate time for response prior to the end of the year, we will extend the deadline for receiving ballots to allow a full 30 days response time. So, we are indeed following the bylaws with recognition that the suggested time has been shortened,
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31, 2017, at midnight. It is open to all current NSRCA members in good standing. After logging in, follow the link on the NSRCA web site. Please vote Results will be tallied and posted in mid January. Thank you.<br>
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