<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Please forward me the updated bylaws that allow electronic voting. Because the ones marked as January 2013 that are on the website now do not even mention it. If that is what was desired then that is how it should be described in the bylaws. Also, please forward to me the email that was sent to "all" members about voting as I never received an email directly from the NSRCA. Just through this list which is definitely not to "all" members. Also, the bylaws do not allow for "ballots" sent in by membership that were not sent to the members first.<div><br></div><div>The organization must select it's officers by the method outlined in the bylaws. Not by some vague interpretation of the bylaws.</div><div><br></div><div>Tony Frackowiak</div><div><br></div><div> <br><div><div>On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Joe Walker via NSRCA-discussion wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742888"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742705">Thanks Jon, Jon and Peter for the input. It's spot on and reflects how we are supposed to be functioning as an organization (electronically... Especially since most of the discussions happen on this forum, which is an electronic format). </span>The discussion to mail out ballots to members in districts with a contested election (D7 in this case) would be an extra effort beyond that which is required by the Bylaws. The current district VP's where a vote would occur could certainly reach out to the local members and determine if a paper ballot is required and or desired. Certainly if there is not a good reason to spend the extra money, let's not just waste our resources.</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><font size="3">Tony,</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_743271">Does this adequately address your concerns? If not, I don't think it's too much to ask to shift the deadline for the vote just a few weeks to accommodate snail mail for D7 folks that desire a paper ballot.</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><font size="3">Thanks!</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1512143388172_742704"><font size="3">Joe Walker</font></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:15 PM, Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5547406970"><div><div dir="ltr">As a more complete answer, as the NSRCA website is available to *all* members, and notification of the ballot being available is e-mailed to *all* members that constitutes "distribution" from a legal perspective (this has been legally tested by a variety of Homeowners association lawsuits in the past decade). We are required to also accept (at the secretary's postal address) a snail-mail letter from a member indicating their vote. The secretary would then validate the member's address and that they did not also vote online and count the paper "ballot".<div><br clear="none"></div><div>But as the NSRCA membership as a whole, given the technical nature of our hobby, tends to be more technically savvy, electronic voting is the norm and I am unaware of anyone taking the paper option since we moved to enable electronic balloting.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Paper ballots to the whole membership would be a huge expense from a budget perspective, which is why the bylaws were amended several years back to enable a primarily electronic vote.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>It's also *much* easier to audit the results as every member must login to vote and we capture the date and time of their vote and ensure only one vote is cast per member.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Peter+</div></div><div class="yiv5547406970gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5547406970gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv5547406970gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div class="yiv5547406970MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Not sure what the hub bub is all about<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="yiv5547406970MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Go to nsrca and vote!<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="yiv5547406970MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Done!<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District Vice President Elections<u></u><u></u></span></span></div>
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If this helps, I know that when I was president, the membership voted to take out of the bylaws the specific requirement for mailed ballots. The bylaws allow for distribution of ballots by a manner ok'd by the BoD. The website posting of the election and casting
votes electronically was considered distribution of the ballots. Subsequent votes were primarily done via the website, as I recall.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div></div><div><div class="yiv5547406970h5">
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<div class="yiv5547406970MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;">Please explain to me how website voting conforms to the wording of the Bylaws? Bylaws says that ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members. It also says in a manner approved by the BOD, but you
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<div class="yiv5547406970MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;">In my opinion, according to the bylaws, the only valid voting is from ballots that have been sent out to the members and returned by them. If I am incorrect please explain.<u></u><u></u></div>
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<div class="yiv5547406970MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;">On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Joe Walker wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
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<div class="yiv5547406970MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;background:white;"><span style="">I appreciate your input! Though the Bylaws do not specify a timeline for voting, nor a format for the ballots, we recognize that
the spirit of the requirement is to be as inclusive as possible. With that in mind, the BoD will also be sending out mailed ballots to those districts that have more than one person running for the DVP position. If the timeline for the arrival of those ballots
does not give adequate time for response prior to the end of the year, we will extend the deadline for receiving ballots to allow a full 30 days response time. So, we are indeed following the bylaws with recognition that the suggested time has been shortened,
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<div class="yiv5547406970MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.75pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">e. Ballots are to be distributed to the voting NSRCA members, whenever possible, by the end of November of the election
year in a manner approved by the Board of Directors.</span><span style=""><u></u><u></u></span></div>
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