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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Thanks Dave for that perspective and everyone else for a helpful discussion. Much appreciated!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of davel322--- via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Reply-To: </b><davel322@comcast.net>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 7:20 PM<br><b>To: </b>"'Atwood, Mark'" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com>, 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>, 'Dave Burton' <burtona@atmc.net><br><b>Subject: </b>[NSRCA-discussion] Perspective RE: Zero Judges at WC's<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Just a little perspective……pleasant or not, ugly or not, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>In sports…there is a saying….”no whistle, no foul”. In auto sports…..”rubbing is racing”. Do baseball and football players admit when a ball skipped lightly off the turf before a catch? Nope. Do soccer players admit when they have committed a handball foul? Nope. Do basketball players admit when they have travelled? Nope. Have referees called fouls when they did not truly exist? Yep. Intentional or not, players and refs both make errors, and sometimes the outcome is affected. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>With pattern flying, the pilot is tasked with flying a sequence of maneuvers to perfection, and that includes clearly presenting the correct elements as well as doing sneaky, stealthy, subtle things to minimize and hide errors. It is the judges job to evaluate/assess/determine/”judge” the presence of proper elements and assign downgrades for flaws. Just as pilots make mistakes, so do judges, and both can affect the outcome, no different than other competitive sports.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Will FAI/F3A/pattern learn from this instance at the WC? I hope so!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> Dave Burton <burtona@atmc.net>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Zero Judges at WC's</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Honestly? No. Though I don’t think any will argue the Onda clearly won. But he almost didn’t. And it wasn’t really even close. Not scoring clear zeros was indeed a problem and embarrassed the pilot that received the artificially high scores. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>always are, always will be.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Scores are meaningless, objective is to rank pilots from best to worst. Did that get accomplished?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Zero Judges at WC's</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Yes... a few were missed.<o:p></o:p></p><div id="ymail_android_signature"><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Arial;color:#6D00F6'>On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:06 PM, John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Arial;color:#6D00F6'><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid #6D00F6 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 15.0pt;margin-top:7.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div id=DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:Word%20Work%20File%20D.jpg" alt="mage removed by sender."></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#41424E'>Virus-free. <a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avg.com</span></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>