<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36392" dir="ltr">South Africa had 80 pilots <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36571" href="http://www.f3a.no/Historien/WC/WC%202013%20South%20Africa.pdf">http://www.f3a.no/Historien/WC/WC%202013%20South%20Africa.pdf</a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36450" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36451" dir="ltr">I was there as a judge</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36621" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36775" dir="ltr">Switzerland had 101 pilots <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36774" href="http://www.f3a.no/Historien/WC/WC%202015,%20Dubendorf%20Switzerland.pdf">http://www.f3a.no/Historien/WC/WC%202015,%20Dubendorf%20Switzerland.pdf</a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36776" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36777" dir="ltr">I was invited to 2015 and this year but for personal reason I couldn't go, hopefully next time</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36778" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36452" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36270"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36458" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36457" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36456" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36455" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36454" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36453"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36833"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36832" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36835"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36834" style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> arturo zapata <artzap40@yahoo.com>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36837"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36836" style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Maureen Dunphy <maureendunphy4@gmail.com>; Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz@gmail.com><br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36831"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36830" style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:46 PM<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36839"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36838" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Zero Judges at WC's<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36459"><br><div id="yiv6700505552"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_36460">
Judges are the single largest expense for the host country. They are required to cover all of their costs (airfare, local transportation, lodging, meals, etc). For a 10 day event, that’s roughly $4000-$5000 PER judge. So for a 20 judge panel, plus 2 alternates,
you’re looking at ~$100,000 in expenses JUST for judges. The sporting code only requires 20 judges if there are more than 80 pilots at the event. It drops to 10 below that. Both South Africa and Switzerland had less than 80 pilots but chose to have the
full 22 member judge panel. Argentina was probably smart not to do this.
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<div class="yiv6700505552">As someone already mentioned, with 20, you can divide up the work load and make it reasonable. With ten that’s more difficult, but i think most would agree (especially after this event) that 9 judges and a zero judge is a better allocation than
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<div class="yiv6700505552yqt8794167362" id="yiv6700505552yqt63252"><div class="yiv6700505552">On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:36 PM, arturo zapata via NSRCA-discussion <<a class="yiv6700505552" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="yiv6700505552" id="yiv6700505552yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24735">Why were there only 10 judges?</div>
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On Nov 14, 2017 3:00 PM, "Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion" <<a class="yiv6700505552" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br class="yiv6700505552" clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6700505552MsoNormal" id="yiv6700505552yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24719"><span class="yiv6700505552" id="yiv6700505552yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24718" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Typically there are 20 judges at a WC. During the finals, 5 judges are used to judge the left
turnarounds, 5 different judges judge the right turnarounds, and the 10 remaining judges judge the center maneuvers. It is a lot easier to judge unknowns when one has time to study the maneuver before judging it and can reflect on what one saw after it is
complete – remember, a judge will have time to reflect on this because they aren’t judging every maneuver. When only 10 judges are used (as in Argentina), all the judges will judge ALL maneuvers so there is a lot less time for judges to think about what they
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<b class="yiv6700505552">Reply-To: </b>Jeff Worsham <<a class="yiv6700505552" id="yiv6700505552yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24734" href="mailto:jeffryworsham@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jeffryworsham@gmail.com">jeffryworsham@gmail.com</a>>, NSRCA List
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<b class="yiv6700505552">Date: </b>Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:20 AM<br class="yiv6700505552" clear="none">
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<b class="yiv6700505552">Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Zero Judges at WC's<u class="yiv6700505552"></u><u class="yiv6700505552"></u></span></div>
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<div class="yiv6700505552MsoNormal"><a name="m_-5799579505891693075__MailOriginalBody" class="yiv6700505552" href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span class="yiv6700505552" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Obviously I don’t know squat about the whole process, but was just wondering- if there’s
a 10 judge panel, why can’t 2 of them be zero judges. I understand if running 2 lines, 5 judges per line, there would need to be 4 more judges paid for. But aren’t the final rounds flown on one line only with all 10 judges? If so, why can’t 2 of them be
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<b class="yiv6700505552">Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Zero Judges at WC's</span><u class="yiv6700505552"></u><u class="yiv6700505552"></u></span></div>
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<div class="yiv6700505552MsoNormal"><span class="yiv6700505552">The cost to add zero judges would be around 4 -6 grand each unless you pulled from contestants... which probably wouldnt happen. <u class="yiv6700505552"></u><u class="yiv6700505552"></u></span></div>
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<div class="yiv6700505552MsoNormal"><span class="yiv6700505552"><span class="yiv6700505552" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#6d00f6;">On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Jeff Worsham via NSRCA-discussion</span><u class="yiv6700505552"></u><u class="yiv6700505552"></u></span></div>
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<div class="yiv6700505552MsoNormal"><span class="yiv6700505552"><span class="yiv6700505552m_-5799579505891693075yiv6131312123"><span class="yiv6700505552" style="font-size:11.0pt;">What would it take for FAI to require a minimum # of zero judges at future WC’s? IE: at least two designated
zero judges required for every semi’s and finals round. With the increase in complexity of maneuvers in F and unknown sequences, sounds like the judging load may be exceeding what even the most experienced of judges can keep up with at a WC. On top of increased
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