<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24595" dir="ltr">No enough number of pilots for 20 judges</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24596" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24597"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24715" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24714" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24713" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24712" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24716" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24736"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Maureen Dunphy via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz@gmail.com>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:30 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Zero Judges at WC's<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24717"><br><div id="yiv1743794262"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24725"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24735">Why were there only 10 judges?</div><div class="yiv1743794262gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24724"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv1743794262gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24723">On Nov 14, 2017 3:00 PM, "Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv1743794262gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24722" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv1743794262yqt5062479441" id="yiv1743794262yqt71842"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24721" lang="EN-US"><div class="yiv1743794262m_-5799579505891693075WordSection1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24720"><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24719"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24718" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Typically there are 20 judges at a WC. During the finals, 5 judges are used to judge the left turnarounds, 5 different judges judge the right turnarounds, and the 10 remaining judges judge the center maneuvers. It is a lot easier to judge unknowns when one has time to study the maneuver before judging it and can reflect on what one saw after it is complete – remember, a judge will have time to reflect on this because they aren’t judging every maneuver. When only 10 judges are used (as in Argentina), all the judges will judge ALL maneuvers so there is a lot less time for judges to think about what they just saw (or will see) unless they really know the sequence well.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24726"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24730" style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24729"><b><span style="color:black;">From: </span></b><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24728" style="color:black;">NSRCA-discussion <<a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24727" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@ lists.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of NSRCA List <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Reply-To: </b>Jeff Worsham <<a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24734" href="mailto:jeffryworsham@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jeffryworsham@gmail.com">jeffryworsham@gmail.com</a>>, NSRCA List <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:20 AM<br clear="none"><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>" <<a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24731" href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>>, NSRCA List <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Zero Judges at WC's<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><a name="m_-5799579505891693075__MailOriginalBody" href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Obviously I don’t know squat about the whole process, but was just wondering- if there’s a 10 judge panel, why can’t 2 of them be zero judges. I understand if running 2 lines, 5 judges per line, there would need to be 4 more judges paid for. But aren’t the final rounds flown on one line only with all 10 judges? If so, why can’t 2 of them be zero judges? </span><u></u><u></u></a></div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span><b><span>From: </span></b></span><span><span>NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@ lists.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of Charles Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>>, General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 12:12 PM<br clear="none"><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Zero Judges at WC's</span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span>The cost to add zero judges would be around 4 -6 grand each unless you pulled from contestants... which probably wouldnt happen. <u></u><u></u></span></div><div id="yiv1743794262m_-5799579505891693075yMail_cursorElementTracker_1510686702330"><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div><div id="yiv1743794262m_-5799579505891693075ymail_android_signature"><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span></span><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span>Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</span><span></span></a><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div><blockquote style="margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;"><div><div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#6d00f6;">On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Jeff Worsham via NSRCA-discussion</span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#6d00f6;"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="border:none;border-left:solid #6d00f6 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 15.0pt;margin-top:7.5pt;"><div id="yiv1743794262m_-5799579505891693075yiv6131312123"><div><div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span><span class="yiv1743794262m_-5799579505891693075yiv6131312123"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">What would it take for FAI to require a minimum # of zero judges at future WC’s? IE: at least two designated zero judges required for every semi’s and finals round. With the increase in complexity of maneuvers in F and unknown sequences, sounds like the judging load may be exceeding what even the most experienced of judges can keep up with at a WC. On top of increased judging load, add poor visibility, poor conditions, etc and the chance for error goes up even more. </span></span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span><span class="yiv1743794262m_-5799579505891693075yiv6131312123"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Jeff</span></span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span>______________________________ _________________<br clear="none">NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br clear="none"></span><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><span>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</span><span></span></a><span><br clear="none"></span><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span>http://lists.nsrca.org/ mailman/listinfo/nsrca- discussion</span><span></span></a><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span>______________________________ _________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://lists.nsrca.org/ mailman/listinfo/nsrca- discussion</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">______________________________ _________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://lists.nsrca.org/ mailman/listinfo/nsrca- discussion</a></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div>
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