<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Was there an issue with zero's???<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Judges are the single largest expense for the host country. They are required to cover all of their costs (airfare, local transportation, lodging, meals, etc). For a 10 day event, that’s roughly $4000-$5000 PER judge. So for a 20 judge panel, plus 2 alternates,
you’re looking at ~$100,000 in expenses JUST for judges. The sporting code only requires 20 judges if there are more than 80 pilots at the event. It drops to 10 below that. Both South Africa and Switzerland had less than 80 pilots but chose to have the
full 22 member judge panel. Argentina was probably smart not to do this.
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<div class="">As someone already mentioned, with 20, you can divide up the work load and make it reasonable. With ten that’s more difficult, but i think most would agree (especially after this event) that 9 judges and a zero judge is a better allocation than
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<div class="">On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:36 PM, arturo zapata via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24735" class="">Why were there only 10 judges?</div>
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On Nov 14, 2017 3:00 PM, "Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="">
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<div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24719"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1510692770497_24718" style="font-size:11.0pt;" class="">Typically there are 20 judges at a WC. During the finals, 5 judges are used to judge the left
turnarounds, 5 different judges judge the right turnarounds, and the 10 remaining judges judge the center maneuvers. It is a lot easier to judge unknowns when one has time to study the maneuver before judging it and can reflect on what one saw after it is
complete – remember, a judge will have time to reflect on this because they aren’t judging every maneuver. When only 10 judges are used (as in Argentina), all the judges will judge ALL maneuvers so there is a lot less time for judges to think about what they
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<div class="yiv1743794262MsoNormal"><a name="m_-5799579505891693075__MailOriginalBody" href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" class="">Obviously I don’t know squat about the whole process, but was just wondering- if there’s
a 10 judge panel, why can’t 2 of them be zero judges. I understand if running 2 lines, 5 judges per line, there would need to be 4 more judges paid for. But aren’t the final rounds flown on one line only with all 10 judges? If so, why can’t 2 of them be
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zero judges required for every semi’s and finals round. With the increase in complexity of maneuvers in F and unknown sequences, sounds like the judging load may be exceeding what even the most experienced of judges can keep up with at a WC. On top of increased
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