<div dir="ltr">Only other junior I see from the results of last year's NATS F3A contest here: <a href="https://www.patternscoring.com/3e2c8ca7-18db-4e41-ac48-89e9b1773790">https://www.patternscoring.com/3e2c8ca7-18db-4e41-ac48-89e9b1773790</a> is Brandon Sobolewski. I think our team selection process did the right thing -- sending the best possible team to the WC to represent the USA, regardless of "reigning" status or not. Reigning status probably saved the team some money...</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">In other words, if Joseph had elected to return this year as reigning Junior WC rather than as part of the team, we could have sent another Junior this year. Not sure if other Juniors entered the team trials at the 2016 Nats, but assuming some did, one of them could have gone. Joseph's placement this year would have not contributed toward the team championship though.</p>
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<div class="m_-4454096366060126309device_aol_et_org_dt_dd_quote"></div><hr style="border:0;height:1px;color:#999;background-color:#999;width:100%;margin:0 0 9px 0;padding:0"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><span style="font-size:14px;color:#999999">On Monday, November 13, 2017 Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <<span style="color:#0000a0"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a></span>> wrote:</span><br>
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<div class="m_-4454096366060126309aolReplacedBody"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Kevin,<br><br></div>The point of that rule was to level the playing field, so to speak, so that a Junior WC could still defend their title at the next WC. That was never the case in the 3 prior WCs - the Junior category was added to the WCs in 2011. Also, the Jury can't make a decision for everyone - they can only impact the WC in progress. Now, if a rule change is needed, or a clarification needs to be made going forward, based on the decision of the Jury at a WC (based on a protest), then this type of issue needs to be raised at the F3A Sub-committee level, and once there is agreement there then it should be voted and accepted at the Bureau level. If a clarification is made then it needs to be official and the wording needs to be changed to address it.<br><br></div>BTW, I'm all for increasing the exposure of young people to the sport at the highest level.<br><br></div>-Derek<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Kevin Young via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Derek, I know this may not be your intent but how I read the rule is basically as a two part statement with </p>
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<p>a) <span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,EmojiFont,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:13.3333px">The reigning Junior World or Junior Continental Champion
has the right (subject to the approval of his National Airsports Control) to participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category regardless of whether he qualifies for the national team or not, and provided that he will still be a junior
pilot when the next World or Continental Championships are held</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,EmojiFont,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:13.3333px"><br>
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b) <span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,EmojiFont,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:13.3333px"><u>If he is not a member of the national team</u>, his score
will not be considered in the team results. (I think the underlined section can be read as the catch to the wording of the rule)</span>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,EmojiFont,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols"></span><span style="font-size:13.3333px">The b portion allowing him to compete
but not as an official Team participant like QuiQue did in Portugal.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:13.3333px">my other thought is why on earth you would want to limit a young persons exposure to competition in an industry and sport that is severely lacking youth! </span></div>
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<div class="m_-4454096366060126309begin_alto_quote"></div>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@list<wbr>s.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 13, 2017 1:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Don Ramsey; 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result</font>
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<div class="m_-4454096366060126309m_-5836755271976579815PlainText">That is not the intent of the rule and I should know because I wrote it. Here is the rule:<br>
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d) The reigning Junior World or Junior Continental Champion has the right (subject to the approval of his National Airsports Control) to participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category regardless of whether he qualifies for the
national team or not, and provided that he will still be a junior pilot when the next World or Continental Championships are held. If he is not a member of the national team, his score will not be considered in the team results.<br>
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The key words here are "and provided that he will still be a junior pilot when the next World or Continental Championships are held. Also, the first sentence states "participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category" - the category
is Junior.<br>
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I don't know where the ambiguity comes in.<br>
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On 11/13/17, 10:22 AM, "Don Ramsey" <<a href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com" target="_blank">donramsey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Derek, according to the jury he can return as an individual if he is over 18 but would not be part of the team. So, could have 5 US entrants but only 4 team members.<br>
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Don<br>
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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 10:38 AM<br>
To: Jas S; NSRCA List; Bob Kane<br>
Cc: MarkAtwood<br>
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Provided he will be 18 or younger in 2019. Will he?<br>
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On 11/12/17, 5:50 PM, "NSRCA-discussion on behalf of Jas S via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@list<wbr>s.nsrca.org</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br>
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He already gets a free pass to Italy for being reigning Jr. Champion (according to the rules)<br>
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Jas iP<br>
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> On Nov 12, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Bob Kane via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> And an amazing team effort I must say !!!!!! Looks like Joseph is ready for the 2019 team without the Junior status.<br>
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> Bob Kane <a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com" target="_blank">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><br>
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result<br>
> To: "Bill Harden" <<a href="mailto:flyinbill1@bellsouth.net" target="_blank">flyinbill1@bellsouth.net</a>><br>
> Cc: "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>><br>
> Date: Sunday, November 12, 2017, 3:19 PM<br>
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> On Nov 12, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Bill Harden <<a href="mailto:flyinbill1@bellsouth.net" target="_blank">flyinbill1@bellsouth.net</a>><br>
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