<div><div dir="auto">I agree with Wayne. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:59 PM Wayne Galligan via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I’ve been practicing what is supposed to be the new Masters schedule.</div>
<div>However there area a few that don’t like some of the maneuvers so it will
most likely be changed.</div>
<div>There was input originally as there was a questionnaire sent out.</div>
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<div>Frankly I like the challenge of the original proposed.</div>
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<div>Wayne G.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion</a> </div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Power points</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000"><div style="FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline"><div style="FONT:10pt tahoma"><div style="BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5"></div></div>
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<p>How else does the membership approve the sequences? Until today, we
haven't even seen Masters, much less approved it.</p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000"><div style="FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">
<p>Jon</p><br><br>
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<span style="FONT-SIZE:14px;COLOR:#999999">On Thursday, October 12, 2017
S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion <<span style="COLOR:#0000a0"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></span>>
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<p style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(51,51,51)">Joe,</p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(51,51,51)"> </p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(51,51,51)">I
don't see anything about a 'vote' in the posted rule. If a vote were
required there would need to be some requirements regarding how...e mail?
Mail in ballot?...and a requirement concerning time period and voter
qualifications. Seems clear that a vote by the general membership was
never intended.</p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(51,51,51)">And,
as Jon Carter wrote, we have never in recent history voted on sequences.</p>
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<p style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(51,51,51)">Scott</p>
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<blockquote>On October 12, 2017 at 6:24 PM J via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-<a>discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br>This one?
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<div class="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default">The Radio Control Aerobatics sequences
will be developed periodically by the National Society of Radio Control
Aerobatics (NSRCA) Sequence Committee which is appointed by the NSRCA Board of
Directors. </div>
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<div class="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default"><strong>This is done</strong>. </div>
<div class="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default"> </div>
<div class="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default">The NSRCA Board of Directors will
supervise the sequence development and will submit the proposed sequences to
the membership for approval before they approve all sequences for use in RCA
competition. </div>
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<div class="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default"><strong>This is done. It’s the
survey, with very specific commentary that has been reviewed, modifications
made, and now approved by the BoD. It was submitted to over 3000 people
actually. I see no voting requirement here. I look at the process as
going above and beyond this requirement by simplifying some of the maneuvers
as a result of the survey. </strong></div>
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<div class="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-gmail_default">All current sequences can be found at
the NSRCA website. The NSRCA will modify the sequences for classes 401, 402
and 403, Indoor R/C Aerobatics Sportsman and Indoor R/C Aerobatics
Intermediate at least every four years and the sequence for class 404 will be
modified at least Academy of Model Aeronautics Competition Regulations | Radio
Control Aerobatics 17 every two years, but sequences may be updated more
frequently as required. Sequences will be published no later than December for
the following year. A description of each maneuver for all sequences can be
found on the NSRCA website at: <a href="http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences" target="_blank">http://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences</a>.<br></div>
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<div><strong>This appears to align exactly with the process we have now
completed. In fact we will now be a month ahead of schedule if we get
everything posted by the end of the week. </strong></div>
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<div><strong>What am I missing?</strong></div>
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<div><br>On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Jon Lowe <<a>jonlowe@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div>
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<p>No! It is an NSRCA responsibility. It specifically says the NSRCA BOD will
submit it to the membership for a vote.. Paragraph 15 of the rule book.</p>
<p>Jon</p><br><br>
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<span style="FONT-SIZE:14px;COLOR:#999999">On Thursday, October 12, 2017
Joe Walker <<span style="COLOR:#0000a0"><a>vellum2@bellsouth.net</a></span>> wrote:</span><br><br>
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<div id="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507142421047_1292706"><span id="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507142421047_1292705">That's an AMA vote
Jon, not an NSRCA vote, so we have no control over that process. Do
we?</span></div>
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official patterns being submitted as outlined for the NSRCA responsibilities.
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<div><span style="FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:arial">On Thursday,
October 12, 2017 5:24 PM, Jon Lowe <<a>jonlowe@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br></span></div><br><br>
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<div>Sorry Joe, the AMA rule book trump's the charter. It REQUIRES the
membership to vote on them. I've sent you the appropriate language from
the AMA rule book at least twice. Until we vote, they cannot be implemented by
the board.</div>
<div>Jon</div>
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<span style="FONT-SIZE:14px;COLOR:#999999">On Thursday, October 12, 2017
Joe Walker <<span style="COLOR:#0000a0"><a>vellum2@bellsouth.net</a></span>> wrote:</span><br clear="none">
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<div id="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-yiv2344600895yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507142421047_1178542"><span id="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-yiv2344600895yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507142421047_1178541"><span id="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-yiv2344600895yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507142421047_1178696" style="FONT-SIZE:medium">Good morning guys, the board reviewed everything
last night and will publish the final sequences this week. Just so we
are all on the same page, the official approval process is listed below
(Directly from the charter) and is on the website for everyone to review if
you're so inclined. </span></span></div>
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<div id="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-yiv2344600895yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507142421047_1178542"><span style="FONT-SIZE:medium">The Power </span><span id="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-yiv2344600895yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507142421047_1178752" style="FONT-SIZE:medium">Points are being produced right now by Jim Hiller
(Thanks Jim!)</span></div>
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Process </span></div>
<div id="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-yiv2344600895yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507142421047_1178606"><span id="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-yiv2344600895yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507142421047_1178607" style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">Each new sequence,
or change to a sequence, shall be submitted to the General Membership and
public for their review. The BoD shall approve publication of sequences on
the NSRCA website for membership/public review and comment. The committee
shall update their proposed sequences/changes, if required, and submit it in
final form to the BoD. The BoD shall designate the Committee to prepare any
inputs necessary to support the sequence changes. Recommended changes to the
maneuver descriptions and judging criteria shall be coordinated with the
NSRCA Rules Committee (if necessary). Any changes to the Sequence
Development Guide will be made by the Committee Chairperson and submitted to
the BoD for approval. Once a final set of sequences is approved by the BoD
it shall be published in the K-Factor and posted on the NSRCA website.
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<div><span style="FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:arial">On Tuesday,
October 10, 2017 1:40 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-<a rel="noopener noreferrer">discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<div>We haven't voted on the sequences yet. Until we do, assuming they pass,
the board can't implement them. Anything now is unofficial. At this point,
AFAIK, the sequences to vote on haven't been finalized.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">
<div>Jon</div></div>
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<div class="m_6576442228971908528ox-cc5023417b-yiv2344600895gmail_quote">On Oct 10, 2017 9:01 AM,
Randy Forbus via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-<a rel="noopener noreferrer">discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>Are the powerpoint for the new sequences coming out soon.<br clear="none"></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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