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</head><body><p>Don,</p><p><br></p><p>Does this mean a pilot is entitled to unlimited landing approaches so long as he does not cross the center line or drop below two meters?</p><p>I was one of the judges in Larry's original question. He had been instructed to orbit for a short while due to an aircraft on the runway, was then cleared to land and did his go-around without crossing the center line on his own. Was he allowed to do this as many times as he wanted?</p><p><br></p><p>Scott</p><blockquote type="cite">On August 7, 2017 at 7:59 AM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote:<br><br><div class="ox-a85d371493-WordSection1"><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Score the landing normally. The pilot has not made any errors that result in downgrade of the landing using the Competition Regs. The model does not pass center more than twice, it is not in the landing maneuver when the turn was executed because it is above 2 meters, and it did not pass behind the judges. </span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Another situation is model is on a low long approach and goes below 2 meters then pops up higher, flies some distance, then the pilot calls landing. I start scoring where the model first goes below 2 meters not when the pilots makes his landing call.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><div><div style="border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:04 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> 'General pattern discussion'<br><strong>Subject:</strong> [NSRCA-discussion] Landing - Rules Interpretation ???</span></p></div></div><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"> </p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal">Review the AMA Pattern Rules as follows and then judge the scenario as a “Zero” or “Scored Landing when called by the pilot”:</p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"> </p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;">14. Flight pattern and maneuvering area (pg 17, AMA Radio Control Aerobatics 2016-2017)</span></em></strong></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-Default" style="margin-left: .5in;"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;">14.1. </span></em></strong></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-Default" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Each time the model passes in front of the judges, a maneuver must be executed, except after takeoff and before landing, <u>where in each case a maximum of two (2) passes may be made</u>. In the maneuver lists that follow (U) and (D) denote mandatory maneuver orientation (Upwind –Downwind). This orientation or Direction of Flight shall be determined by the direction of takeoff. The direction is the contestant’s choice and shall be announced to the judges prior to takeoff. In all classes, entry into the maneuvering area for the first maneuver after takeoff shall be in the same direction as takeoff. </span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-Default" style="margin-left: 1.0in;"><em><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;">14.1.1. </span></em></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.0in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">The contestant or helper may request a different landing direction to that used for takeoff without penalty to avoid downwind landings. This option may only be used if the wind direction changes after the takeoff has started. If this option is used, a maximum of two (2) passes in front of the judges may be used to position the model for landing. <u>However, any turns used for positioning the aircraft may not be made at center.</u></span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.0in;"> </p><p class="ox-a85d371493-Default" style="margin-left: .5in;"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;">14.3. </span></em></strong></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">If an illegal pass (<u>crossing a line perpendicular to and centered on the judges</u>) is made, <u>the maneuver which should have been executed shall be scored zero (0)</u>.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> </span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;">Scenario</span></em></strong></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;">On a final approach for landing, the pilot evaluates the glide path is not correct and makes a 180 degree turn away from the flight line to a downwind leg to restart the landing approach.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;"> <strong><em>Consideration:</em></strong></span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.0in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;">1)The pilot has not called the landing.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.0in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;">2) The pilot announces the aborted approach prior to the 180 degree turn to downwind leg.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.0in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;">3) The plane never goes below 2m, roughly about 5+ meters when the approach was aborted.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.0in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;">4) The 180 degree turn is completed without crossing the centerline.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.0in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;">5) Pilot calls landing on the next pass (approach) and lands the plane successfully.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.0in;"><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;"> </span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;">Do you: (please explain your conclusion and <u>reference the AMA rule</u> supporting it)</span></em></strong></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -.25in;"><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;">A)</span><span style="font-size: 7.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> </span><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;">Zero the landing because the pilot only gets one shot at the approach once centerline is crossed on the downwind leg.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -.25in;"><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;">B)</span><span style="font-size: 7.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> </span><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;">Score the landing made on the second pass (approach) as a normal landing with no downgrades for the aborted approach.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -.25in;"><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;">C)</span><span style="font-size: 7.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> </span><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;">Other.</span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;"> </span></p><p class="ox-a85d371493-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14.0pt;">LD</span></p></div></blockquote><p><br> </p><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</blockquote></body></html>