<div><div dir="auto">One posible interpretation is that the pilot introduced an element that is not supposed to be there. I will agree if the up line included roll element and pilot miss to stop the roll and correct. A judge could get this interpretation that is allowed in the rule book. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:12 AM Atwood, Mark <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Agree. Historically the error is downgraded, not the correction. If you miss a Spin or a Snap by 45 degrees, you will see a 3pt down grade… not 6 (which you would get if they downgraded both the miss, and the correction).
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<div>Have to disagree Vince.
<div>If turbulence causes a wings out-of-level condition, there is no downgrade if the pilot corrects quickly.</div>
<div>In this scenario, where, as you state, it is clearly a pilot error, he gets 1 pt per 15deg = 5pt downgrade. He should not be penalized for making the correction - that would be double jeopardy, which is dealt with in the rules.</div>
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<div>75 degree roll is more than expected for a correction due to turbulence. Therefore, clearly it has been done by the pilot and cannot be interpreted as a correction due to turbulence that is the only one allowed in the rulebook. Therefore, the
option No1 appears the best option since the pilot introduced an element that was not suppose to be there.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Another judging question:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Senario: An upline is flown that requires no rolls. The pilot executes a partial roll that turns about 75 degrees then immediately returns to vertical
as specified in the maneuver description. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Two choices seem to be available:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> 0 the maneuver because 2 turns have been made that require 5 pt downgrade each. Errors are initial roll and roll that returns the
mode to the correct attitude.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> Score it a 5 because only one error was made and a correction was made to return the model to the correct attitude. Do not downgrade
the correction.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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