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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I wasn’t going to bite but oh well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Anthony, I would guess you are an NSRCA member. If so, you should be surveyed if not then I know you have flown enough recently to qualify anyway but again I’m not god here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This discussion, in my opinion isn’t about growing pattern that is another important discussion for another day.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This discussion is about keeping what we got (you and Dave Burton for example).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What if all the “non-pattern” flyers as I call them decide to make masters harder.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Then we lose Verne, Joe L, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think this discussion is best left to the current NSRCA members.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve been thinking about polling my club in an official manner as to why they don’t give competition a try (scale, IMAC, heli, pattern, etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I suspect I know the answer but it might be worth my time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Getting input from those who don’t know what we are all about is just folly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ron Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> W Anthony Abdullah [mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> Dave Burton; General pattern discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> Ron Hansen; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm with you on that Dave. Very shortsighted and narrow minded approach. Further shrinking the pool of potential pattern pilots.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There was a time when none of us went to contests or belonged to the NSRCA<br><br>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>IMO, you are wrong on every point.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Patternpilot One'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Peter Vogel'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I disagree with sending a survey out to a bunch of people who are not regular competitors.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You aren’t a pattern flyer if you don’t go to contests.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you don’t go to contests I don’t really care what your opinion is.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you don’t go to contests especially in a long time I don’t think there is anything we can do to convince you to come.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Vogel; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you truly wanted to reach all the pattern fliers in the states. Use all the pattern forums RCG, RCU, and others and make the survey on survey money and track via AMA number for dups. You can also use the NSRCA number to track current or dropped members and ask a question why dropped with several options or a write in.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry to say this is on reason pattern is dying, to much BS and patterns getting to the point you have to practice full time to be in the top 10.. Where has the fun gone to?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Like to see who could still fly a horizontal 8 or do 3 outside loops etc. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Past NSRCA 529.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:#364F67'>Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>Date: 7/18/17 5:30 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>To: Dave Burton <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>> <br>Cc: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date! <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>NO. It DOES NOT MEAN THAT! You can be registered on the NSRCA web site FOR FREE without being an NSRCA member. We'll also be providing links to the the survey on various web pages, but sending a trackable invite is the one way I can measure how many people who were *invited* to respond did so. I'll send invites to *as big a list* as is feasible... <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>STOP trying to create conspiracies where they DO NOT exist? Do you honestly think that the board has nothing better to do with their time than to come up with conspiracies to avoid getting input from the pattern community? Even if we did, what <i>possible</i> motive would we have to do that?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Peter+<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Dave Burton <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net" target="_blank">burtona@atmc.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I guess this means only NSRCA members will get the survey. Wouldn't it be meaningful to get survey input from all the pattern flyers who have never been members or dropped out of NSRCA membership?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Login to <a href="https://nsrca.us" target="_blank">https://nsrca.us</a> and then go to the "edit profile" link (<a href="https://nsrca.us/index.php/cb-profile-edit" target="_blank">https://nsrca.us/index.php/cb-profile-edit</a>)<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We'll be sending the sequence survey to the e-mail addresses registered in your user profiles. 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