<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I'm with you on that Dave. Very shortsighted and narrow minded approach. Further shrinking the pool of potential pattern pilots.</div><div><br></div><div>There was a time when none of us went to contests or belonged to the NSRCA<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">IMO, you are wrong on every point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Patternpilot One'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Peter Vogel'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I disagree with sending a survey out to a bunch of people who are not regular competitors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You aren’t a pattern flyer if you don’t go to contests.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you don’t go to contests I don’t really care what your opinion is.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you don’t go to contests especially in a long time I don’t think there is anything we can do to convince you to come.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Vogel; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">If you truly wanted to reach all the pattern fliers in the states. Use all the pattern forums RCG, RCU, and others and make the survey on survey money and track via AMA number for dups. You can also use the NSRCA number to track current or dropped members and ask a question why dropped with several options or a write in.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sorry to say this is on reason pattern is dying, to much BS and patterns getting to the point you have to practice full time to be in the top 10.. Where has the fun gone to?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Like to see who could still fly a horizontal 8 or do 3 outside loops etc. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Past NSRCA 529.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#364F67">Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>Date: 7/18/17 5:30 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>To: Dave Burton <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>> <br>Cc: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date! <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">NO. It DOES NOT MEAN THAT! You can be registered on the NSRCA web site FOR FREE without being an NSRCA member. We'll also be providing links to the the survey on various web pages, but sending a trackable invite is the one way I can measure how many people who were *invited* to respond did so. I'll send invites to *as big a list* as is feasible... <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">STOP trying to create conspiracies where they DO NOT exist? Do you honestly think that the board has nothing better to do with their time than to come up with conspiracies to avoid getting input from the pattern community? Even if we did, what <i>possible</i> motive would we have to do that?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Peter+<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Dave Burton <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net" target="_blank">burtona@atmc.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I guess this means only NSRCA members will get the survey. Wouldn't it be meaningful to get survey input from all the pattern flyers who have never been members or dropped out of NSRCA membership?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Login to <a href="https://nsrca.us" target="_blank">https://nsrca.us</a> and then go to the "edit profile" link (<a href="https://nsrca.us/index.php/cb-profile-edit" target="_blank">https://nsrca.us/index.php/cb-profile-edit</a>)<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We'll be sending the sequence survey to the e-mail addresses registered in your user profiles. 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