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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Maybe we should eliminate F because the FAI never intended F3A to fly F at anything other than world champs and continental champs? Maybe we make changes that are beneficial for the whole of pattern in the USA?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Just beind devils advocate…..I agree with many of your points.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dave L<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Bill Kutchell' <wildwillie3@hotmail.com>; 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>; 'Matthew Finley' <rcfin02@msn.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying Just P at Local<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I know the F sequence is not supposed to be flown at local contests and I know some don’t fly FAI to avoid flying F. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I also hear a lot of masters and FAI pilots say that master is sometimes harder than FAI P and most of the time is about the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I want everyone to fly whatever class they want but I don’t understand why anyone would want to fly in a class where there are very few if any competitors like FAI.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If I were a lonely FAI pilot like Mark Atwood in D4 I would be flying masters just so I could fly with others competitively.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Let me clarify that is me, Mark Atwood can do whatever he wants and I welcome him to fly any class he chooses.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The only reason to eliminate flying F is to convince more to move from masters to FAI to fix the judging problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I don’t believe you are an FAI pilot if you can’t or won’t fly F.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Why move up to FAI if (1) you don’t want to fly F (2) you don’t have any aspirations to make the world team and (3) you don’t want to compare yourself with the best of the best.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>My point is I don’t think we should be changing how we run our local contests in hopes of convincing more pilots to fly FAI.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ron Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Kutchell via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> Matthew Finley; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying Just P at Local<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Matt, I will fly P in D4 with you. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Bill<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 18, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Matthew Finley via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If D4 decides to fly only P at most contests, I will happily fly FAI. I am in favor for what the majority votes. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><p class=MsoNormal>Matthew E Finley <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Q.C.I Technical Assistant<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>248-794-8487 mobile <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>From: "S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Date: 7/18/17 2:44 PM (GMT-05:00) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To: "Atwood, Mark" <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>>, General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>, Frackowiak Tony <<a href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a>> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying Just P at Local <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p>Seems to me that mostly flying FAI P at local contests could relieve some of the pressure to ramp up the difficulty of Masters to prepare pilots for the horrors (lol) of F.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Scott, D4<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id=ox-0d9126c2a8><p class=MsoNormal>On July 18, 2017 at 2:20 PM "Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br>As much as it has helped my flying to have to fly F at local contests, I would MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have competition flying P, than fly P&F alone which I do 50% of the contests I attend. In fact at some events I only fly F as I need to practice that more. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have boxes of participation awards and hours in the chair judging 2, 4 and sometimes even all 6 rounds of Masters. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I’m all for District 4 choosing to fly only P at local contests and maybe selecting 1 where we agree to try F for posterity if it’ll get 2,3 or 4 guys to move up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here’s the other benefit… it will inspire movement in all the classes. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-M<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#65646A'>MARK </span></strong><strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#80BD01'>ATWOOD</span></strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#65646A'>o. 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