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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You and I both know there isn’t such a thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But you do have to be an AMA member and all contests pattern or otherwise were and are run under AMA competition guidelines.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now we have a SIG (NSRCA) that helps lobby the AMA and the FAI for changes and does a lot of other things for us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That is why you should be an NSRCA member to get a survey.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t want non-NSRCA members telling us how to do things when they will never compete.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I guess you want all the benefits of US citizenship without paying taxes because you don’t like who’s in congress or who’s the president.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Patternpilot One [mailto:patternpilot1@hotmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Hansen; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Cliff Bradford'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please show me in any AMA rule book that you have to be a member of a SIG (NSRCA) in this case to compete in pattern.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:#364F67'>Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Ron Hansen <<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com">rcpilot@wowway.com</a>> <br>Date: 7/18/17 8:16 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>To: 'Patternpilot One' <<a href="mailto:patternpilot1@hotmail.com">patternpilot1@hotmail.com</a>>, 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>, 'Cliff Bradford' <<a href="mailto:cliff357b@gmail.com">cliff357b@gmail.com</a>> <br>Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date! <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you are not an NSRCA member because you are trying to make a statement about the current state of affairs I understand that; otherwise, if you fly at pattern contest on a regular basis and are not a NSRCA member then shame on you!!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You are benefiting from all the hard work of other volunteers. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Without the NSRCA pattern contests would not exist.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That is like getting health insurance without paying for it or expecting the AMA to fight the FAA while not being a member.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Again only NSRCA members should get a survey!!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> Cliff Bradford; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Since when the He!! do you have to belong to NSRCA to fly pattern??? I bet there are many who don't belong to Nsrca or follow the list who fly pattern on a regular basis.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This is why the membership is crashing.. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:#364F67'>Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Cliff Bradford via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>Date: 7/18/17 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>, John Gayer <<a href="mailto:west.engineering@comcast.net">west.engineering@comcast.net</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date! <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think the survey should be directed at NSRCA members, I could care less what the part time Pattern guy thinks. Making it available to those that have a desire to provide input is fine and Peter has said he will do that, Hang in there Peter!!! It's a thankless job but I thank you for all your hard work and passion for the hobbie. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:36 PM John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We do own the sequences as per the AMA rulebook.<br>With a short timeframe it is better to poll the NSRCA membership than to say we must poll the AMA membership. How would you ever determine the AMA members interested in pattern? From the little boxes on the AMA membership application? Good luck.<br><br>Also, dropping your membership because you are fed up with this list is BS. You don't even have to be an NSRCA member to join this list.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br>John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 7/18/2017 3:06 PM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id="m_-5372844499695705571divtagdefaultwrapper"><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The survey is useless unless it is available to all "AMA" members who participate in pattern events. The NSRCA does not own Precision Aerobatics.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=3 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id="m_-5372844499695705571divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org></a> on behalf of Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Login to <a href="https://nsrca.us" target="_BLANK" id="m_-5372844499695705571LPlnk186545">https://nsrca.us</a> and then go to the "edit profile" link (<a href="https://nsrca.us/index.php/cb-profile-edit" target="_BLANK" id="m_-5372844499695705571LPlnk439608">https://nsrca.us/index.php/cb-profile-edit</a>) </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='margin-bottom:15.0pt;display:inline-block;overflow:auto' id="m_-5372844499695705571LPBorder_GT_15004119251230.9772458108534754"><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="90%" style='width:90.0%;background:white;border-top:dotted #C8C8C8 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:dotted #C8C8C8 1.0pt;border-right:none'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div id="m_-5372844499695705571LPTitle_15004119251170.5530652876336255"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://nsrca.us/" target="_BLANK"><span style='text-decoration:none'>NSRCA</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="m_-5372844499695705571LPMetadata_15004119251200.3627936492739031"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://nsrca.us" target="_BLANK">nsrca.us</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="m_-5372844499695705571LPDescription_15004119251210.42617195631994275"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The NSRCA is a Special Interest Group for precision aerobatics in the USA.<o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>We'll be sending the sequence survey to the e-mail addresses registered in your user profiles. Your responses will be anonymous, but we can track who did/did not take the survey, this will help us to understand when we have a statistically meaningful set of responses.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Peter+<br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Director, Fixed Wing Flight Training</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Santa Clara County Model Aircraft Skypark</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Associate Vice President, Academy of Model Aeronautics District X</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><img border=0 width=200 height=154 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3000A.6A0EBCA0" alt="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6513778381_5569cc985d_m.jpg"></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_BLANK">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_BLANK">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cliff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of detection engine 15769 (20170718) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com" target="_BLANK">http://www.eset.com</a><br><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of detection engine 15769 (20170718) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com" target="_BLANK">http://www.eset.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of detection engine 15769 (20170718) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com" target="_BLANK">http://www.eset.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of detection engine 15769 (20170718) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com">http://www.eset.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of detection engine 15769 (20170718) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com">http://www.eset.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>