<div dir="auto">Some of your points are correct but somehow you're missing the fact that the BoD is reaching out to as many as can be reached. The goal here is to have people sign up on the website, not to be members of the NSRCA, although preferable, but to have a database of emails so that they can be sent the survey. You don't have to be a member to sign up on the site. That's the whole thing. They said they're trying to reach out to all including the forums but yet that's not good enough. I don't get it. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 18, 2017 8:12 PM, "Patternpilot One" <<a href="mailto:patternpilot1@hotmail.com">patternpilot1@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I do understand how hard it is to run an organization.. I'm just saying if you are wanting to get a true reading of the pattern pilots you need to talk to them all, not just a select few who are members of a AMA Sig.</div>
<div>All pattern pilots should have a voice from all classes and districts.</div>
<div>This is a sport for some and a hobby for others and you should not have to fly a dozen flights a week to stay competitive unless your on the international pattern circuit.</div>
<div>Planes have become to pattern dependant and cost way over the top. How can a father and son come out and try a pattern contest in sportsman competing against a $3,000 composite aircraft. This is a major factor as well as the patterns have become much harder
for the average sport flier to jump in and try pattern. I understand each AMA class is a stepping stone for the next and masters is the top before FAI. But maybe adopt the KISS system and patterns. </div>
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<div>Patterns and aircraft.. planes these days look like pregnant guppies and or sharks with all their fins. Again pattern dependant. If that is what is needed for the few % competing at the international level fine, but not everything needs to trickle down
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<div>If patterns did not dictate the planes more kits or ARF's at a reasonable cost might be available.</div>
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<div>In reading all this masters sh!t storm people mentioned patterns had to much consumption, since when do you design a pattern on power consumption? Sounds like your catering to the electric guys.</div>
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<div>Maybe time to reel in some of the technology in the lower classes and level out the field and not make it who can throw the most money at it to win. That KISS system again.</div>
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To: Patternpilot One <<a href="mailto:patternpilot1@hotmail.com" target="_blank">patternpilot1@hotmail.com</a>>, General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>>
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<div>But, please, enjoy the benefits of others' hard work including this list. Sorry but the amount of complaining how bad the NSRCA is just eats at me. People work really hard to do the right thing and please the majority. No matter how hard you try, someone
is going to poo-poo your efforts. They make mistakes just like we all do. At least the effort is being made to get information from the majority vs. the few that can't stand the NSRCA but love to tell everyone on the NSRCA list. How about some support?</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If you are not an NSRCA member because you are trying to make a statement about the current state of affairs I understand that; otherwise, if you fly at pattern
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That is like getting health insurance without paying for it or expecting the AMA to fight the FAA while not being a member.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Again only NSRCA members should get a survey!!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the survey should be directed at NSRCA members, I could care less what the part time Pattern guy thinks. Making it available to those that have a desire to provide input is fine and Peter has said he will do that, Hang in there
Peter!!! It's a thankless job but I thank you for all your hard work and passion for the hobbie. </p>
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With a short timeframe it is better to poll the NSRCA membership than to say we must poll the AMA membership. How would you ever determine the AMA members interested in pattern? From the little boxes on the AMA membership application? Good luck.<br>
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