<div><div dir="auto">I meant 4-8 masters. We were 7 at Iowa Pattern Championships. 1 Advance. 3-4 Intermidiate. There were club and sportsman class but they didn't judge. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Or perhaps then you won't have any masters pilots at your contests either. </div>
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On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin:0px"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">I think the best solution is to adopt the FAI-P modified to meet Master requirements.<span style="margin:0px">
</span>Here the reasons:</font></p>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 48px"><font color="#000000"><span style="margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px"><font face="Calibri" size="3">1.</font><span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";margin:0px;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><font face="Calibri" size="3">We are overloading the lower classes judging Masters in local contest.<span style="margin:0px">
</span>As time pass we have seen less FAI pilots in local contest.<span style="margin:0px">
</span>Clearly the norm is to have 46-8 Masters, 0-2 FAI, 0-3 Advanced, 0-3 Intermediate and 0-3 Sportsman.<span style="margin:0px">
</span>This is a reality that has been happening in the last few years.<span style="margin:0px">
</span>There are some cases different but this has become normal.</font></font></p>
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</span></span></span><font face="Calibri" size="3">Is we used modified P in Masters the Masters pilots will be more willing to fly FAI and slit the class.<span style="margin:0px">
</span>This will make the contest more balanced and avoid overloading the lower classes pilots.</font></font></p>
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</span></span></span><font face="Calibri"><font size="3">This will help Master pilots to try FAI and try to practice F.<span style="margin:0px">
</span>Top FAI pilots will be more willing to go to local contest since they will have more competition.<span style="margin:0px">
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</span></span></span><font face="Calibri"><font size="3">In my contest one traditional FAI pilot call me to ask me how many pilots were flying FAI.<span style="margin:0px">
</span>I told him you will be the only one.<span style="margin:0px"> </span>He turned around and went home.<span style="margin:0px">
</span>This is a reality that we need to take into account.<span style="margin:0px">
</span>It is happening.<span style="margin:0px"> </span></font></font></font></p>
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</span></span></span><font face="Calibri" size="3">If I were and Advanced or Intermediate pilot and I go to a contest to judge 4-5 times a bunch of Masters pilots I will try to do something else in my weekend.</font></font></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><font face="Calibri"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">I know that there are other reasons but I need to go back to work.<span style="margin:0px">
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<p style="margin:0px"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">Best,</font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 17, 2017 4:07 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Derek Koopowitz; <u></u>General pattern discussion<u></u><br>
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<font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3">On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></font>
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<p><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">There are two more things we need to seriously consider with these sequences. Judgeability of course and something no one ever talks about, ability
to memorize a sequence and retain it. Not all of us have a caller readily available when practicing. The current sequence bit me twice so far this contest season. I actually started to swap two maneuvers out of sequence even with a caller. Took my 0's and
throw away round. I now make sure my caller reinforces that part of the sequence when calling for me. In all my years of flying pattern this has never ever happened to me before. My memory isn't bad. I usually have a new sequence or previous seasons sequence
down in less than two practice sessions at the beginning of every season.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<u></u>Atwood, Mark<u></u> <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><br>
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proud to say I’ve flown enough F and Unknown sequences now that it didn’t seem very unusual. So your critique there is likely valid. Given that all the maneuvers were flyable with little more than calling the primary maneuver name along with the individual
elements, real time, I’m hard pressed to call them “fabricated garbage”, as I think that needlessly insults the people that worked hard, with good intent, to put these together.
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When I was moving up, the classes never changed. So once you were proficient in a class, the only new challenge was to move up. Now, with new classes every 2 years, even if the difficulty is the same, you can stay put and still feel challenged learning something
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cycle if necessary. That was part of the intent of the guide. <u></u>Battery<u></u> consumption is too high with the low drag plane and motor combination that you use Mark in comparison to others. I'm assuming this is the sequence that is on the NSRCA site.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">A few of the maneuvers are just fabricated garbage. When the guide was put together it was done to keep getting carried away
with this stuff and adding a boat load of "Oh, this would be cool to do" type maneuvers which have already infiltrated FAI. There is a lot of stupidity designed into the sequence. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">A fellow Masters pilot tried to fly some of this this weekend and concluded it was a bunch of crap, ripped it up and threw it
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I had an Advanced pilot fly the new sequence for Advanced this weekend also. The Cobra with snap may be an issue.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">There are also a lot of 3/4 rolls in the sequence that an Advanced pilot will have to figure out which way to roll. This may
be an information overload requirement that might be overcome by a lot more practice than typically required. You only have some much time available to practice. The designers did not do a thorough analysis of the roll elements.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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I would care to put into flying pattern. The fun is starting to dissipate for this flyer and I'm retired.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">Not everyone can get out several evenings during the week and the weekend to practice. I'm thinking of the 95% not the top 5%
and I'm a middle of the road Masters pilot. I have also seen decline in Masters attendance on the local level. Based on what I see so far, I will either pack it in or reluctantly drop to Advanced which has crept ever closer towards being a Masters sequence.
This is the first time I have seen so much controversy over one sequence. Start fresh. There is still time to form a new committee hopefully with some people who previously served and get this thing right. There is still plenty of time to get it right by
December 31st. Heck I could do it all on my own and come up with something more sane that what has been proposed or thrown out in this discussion list!<span class="m_-104941329964367563m_8709598208801673494apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b><span class="m_-104941329964367563m_8709598208801673494apple-converted-space"> </span>[NSRCA-discussion] New sequences</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">I was able to fly both the proposed Masters and Advanced sequences this weekend with Chuck Edwards. All in all good, with a
few thoughts.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">I like it. Flows reasonably well. Some fun challenges, but nothing daunting. The two rolls opposite is easily the prettiest
maneuver in the schedule, and it will separate anyone not comfortable rolling both ways. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;font-weight:bold">One concern</span></font></b><span class="m_-104941329964367563m_8709598208801673494apple-converted-space"><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri"> </span></font></span><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri">-
The only sticky maneuver I thought is the 1 1/4, KE flight, 1 1/4. It’s simply too long to make look pretty, and if it’s a strong head wind, will really look like crap. You’re basically trying to fit 2 1/2 rolls AND sustained KE flight on a downwind leg
and stay in the box, thus forcing somewhat rapid rolls which simply look rushed. <br>
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</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri">I would strongly suggest changing it to 3/4 roll, KE, 3/4 roll. Same difficulty really, but a full roll shorter and thus allows for a more graceful, controlled
roll rate.<br>
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</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri">Total Mah draw in modest wind (7-9kt cross) was 3580mah without paying particular attention to throttle management, given that it was the first time through
the sequence. Quite a bit less time and power than the current schedule.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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</span></font><b><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:bold">Advanced</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri">. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">It’s also nice, with one<span class="m_-104941329964367563m_8709598208801673494apple-converted-space"> </span><i><span style="font-style:italic">major</span></i><span class="m_-104941329964367563m_8709598208801673494apple-converted-space"> </span>concern.
The Cobra. It’s not as conventional as I think is expected, and I feel it’s too much for an advanced flyer just learning to snap their airplane (my opinion). You’re already a bit rushed going into is, and you’re pushing in from Inverted. No biggie. Half
roll up, over the top and back down on a 45. THEN you have a single snap on the 45 deg DOWN line. <br>
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</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri">I can tell you from personal experience and a re-kitted Spark (<u></u>St.<u></u> Clairsville flying F-11 with a 1 1/2 snap down on the cobra) that a snap like
this<span class="m_-104941329964367563m_8709598208801673494apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">WILL </span></b>crash an airplane. You’re heading down, not all that high to begin with, and if you badly miss the snap and lose your orientation, you’re
likely on low throttle and low airspeed and will proceed to stall/snap it into the ground in your attempt to recover. I’d much rather see a snap on the UP leg of the cobra. It would still be rushed, but FAR more airplane and pilot friendly. <br>
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</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri">Other than that, is has all the traditional challenges. Power was very low as I flew the schedule with only 2800mah (also a 7-9kt crosswind). <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">My $0.02 worth with 1 time through Advanced and twice through Masters. So limited testing. Your mileage may vary.<br>
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</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri">Hope to see a bunch of you in
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</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri">-Mark<br>
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