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<div>Hey why don't we toss all the rules out and put all the pilots name in a hat and do a drawing for the winners.. Then sit back and drink beer for a few days...lol....</div>

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From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br>

Date: 7/12/17 12:11 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>

To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br>

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different sequence <br>

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<div dir="auto">Deleting landings from being judged entirely would require an AMA rule book change to at least paragraph 14.6 as a minimum. Since the AMA rules cycle for 2018-2019 is beyond accepting new proposals, any change couldn't occur until the 2020-2021

 rulebook, if a rules change was proposed and accepted by the AMA Contest board. A sequence change alone can't do the intent of what Mike proposes.<br>

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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 12, 2017 10:38 AM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote:<br type="attribution">

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<p dir="ltr">We did just that during one rules cycle a few years ago when I was flying intermediate or advanced. The score was a 0 or a 10 for takeoffs and landings. It was a disaster. Suddenly no one was paying any attention to their own takeoffs and landings,

 and we had several near misses in our district. Lower classes weren't improving their skills in those areas and it got dangerous. And I've seen some pretty scary FAI landings since they aren't judged.</p>

<p dir="ltr">And unless we started doing what IMAC does with the next airplane taking off while the previous lands you don't save time. You can end up with 4 airplanes in the air at once; no thanks.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Jon</p>

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<span style="font-size:14px; color:#999999">On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 Dr. Mike Harrison via NSRCA-discussion <<span style="color:#0000a0">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span>> wrote:</span><br>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'calibri' ,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">To all,</span></p>

<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'calibri' ,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">I really don’t mean to jump into this fray and cause more dissension but I want to share an issue that has come up in laying out the Nats format that has considerable impact on

 the time factor in getting through all the pilots for a round of flying. </span>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'calibri' ,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">That is the landing and scoring the landing.  I have become aware of how much time it takes to wait for the landing, judge the landing, retrieving the airplane, compiling the

 scores, doing the administration, then getting ready to do the next flight.  </span>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'calibri' ,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">Landing is a K1 maneuver and typically the score varies 3 to 4 points from contestant to contestant. 

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'calibri' ,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">This is a maneuver that the pilot probably has more factors beyond his control than any other that affects the outcome of the score for that maneuver-site and field conditions,

 wind shifts, thermal activity, etc.  </span></p>

<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'calibri' ,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">If you do the computations of the score variations and then compute to normalized scores, typically, the overall impact of the landing score has no real bearing on the outcome.

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'calibri' ,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">However, scoring the maneuver and so forth takes a disproportionate amount of time.  It can add 20-30% or more to flight and administrative time.  In contest administration, it

 is a significant time delay particularly when there are a lot of entrants-California, Nats, etc.</span></p>

<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'calibri' ,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">I recommend that the landing be deleted from the flight maneuvers.</span></p>

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From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'calibri' ,sans-serif"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]

<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 10, 2017 11:21 AM<br>

<b>To:</b> Frackowiak Tony <<a href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a>>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-<a href="mailto:discussion@lists.nsrca.org">discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different sequence</span>

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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt">Tony,<br>

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I don't see that simply adding some complexity to a maneuver <i>automatically</i> bumps the Kfactor. The current Masters sequence has a 2of8, reversed full roll, 2of8 reversed starting from inverted and it is a  K5. To me, the 4of8 reversed from inverted is

 a much easier maneuver as the single transition is upright rather than two reversals at knifeedge and the Kfactor should reflect that.

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i wouldn't have a problem with reducing the complexity of these disputed maneuvers so we can agree that they are K4s but it's not my sequence.  I didn't change any Ks except to make corrections according to the guide.<br>

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<p>On 7/10/2017 9:42 AM, Frackowiak Tony wrote:</p>

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<p>You are still trying to sneak in too many K5's by calling them K4's. The Reversing 4 of 8's should stay a K5. Yes, the inverted 8 point is a K4, but you are reversing! Can't you get that now makes it a 5!

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<p>The Pyramid Loop as Described is definitely a K5. The Guide's Pyramid loop with just 1/2 rolls on each leg and without the 135 down at the start is a K4. So this is a K5.</p>

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<p>The Six Sided Loop on corner with all of the 1/2 rolls should be a K5. In the Guide a standard Six Sided Loop with just a 2 of 4 on the top leg is a K4. How does this stay a K4?</p>

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<p>And as I have said, the KE with 1 1/4 rolls should be a K5. The Guides simple KE flight with just 1/4 rolls is a K4.</p>

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<p>You should quit trying to sneak in difficulty by using too low of K-Factors. It is possible to create an interesting pattern without the difficulty creep of fake K-Factors.</p>

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<p>On Jul 10, 2017, at 7:04 AM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion wrote:</p>

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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt">Stuart,<br>

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I took the liberty of putting your sequence in a new spreadsheet.<br>

Some of the exit attitudes didn't work as described like maneuver 11 needs to be a full roll to exit inverted and it is a K2 according to the guide. Also the spin is a K3 according to the guide.<br>

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I have some other ideas but I thought starting with a clean layout might be a good idea. I support what you are trying to do here.<br>

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<p>Double Immelman with knife edge flight</p>

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<p>upright</p>

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<p>inside 1/2 loop then outside 1/2 loop</p>

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<p>TA</p>

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<p>1/2 Square loop on corner with 2of4 roll</p>

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<p>Pyramid Loop with 2of4, full roll, 2of4</p>

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<p>upright</p>

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<p>Push to 135 down……</p>

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<p>TA</p>

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<p>1/2 Square loop with Snap</p>

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<p>inverted</p>

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<p>U</p>

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<p>Six-sided Loop on corner, 1/2 Rolls in leg 1,3 and 4,6 </p>

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<p><span style="color:#fb114d">5</span></p>

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<p>inverted</p>

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<p>Humpty with options: Push, push, push, 1/2 roll up and a full roll on the downline. Option 1/4 roll up 3/4 roll down</p>

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<p>inverted</p>

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<p>4of8-pt roll, 4of8 opposite</p>

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<p>inverted</p>

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<p>I would consider this a K4, inverted 8-pt is K4</p>

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<p>TA</p>

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<p>Stall turn with 1/2 rolls reversed going  up and 1/2 roll down</p>

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<p>3</p>

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<p>upright</p>

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<p>Outside Avalanche with 1/2 rolls</p>

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<p>upright</p>

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<p>11</p>

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<p>TA</p>

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<p>Half reverse Cuban Eight with a full roll on the 45</p>

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<p>inverted</p>

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<p>Not inverted here and its not a 3, added 1/2 roll</p>

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<p>Knife edge flight with 1 1/4 rolls in and out</p>

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<p>upright</p>

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<p>rolls same direction</p>

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<p>TA</p>

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<p>upright</p>

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<p>14</p>

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<p>U</p>

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<p>Figure Z with two rolls on 45</p>

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<p>4</p>

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<p>upright</p>

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<p>15</p>

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<p>TA</p>

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<p>2  turn  spin</p>

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<p>3</p>

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<p>inverted</p>

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<p>two turn spin is still a K3, not 2</p>

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<p>Reverse cuban eight with full rolls</p>

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<p>inverted</p>

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<p>17</p>

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<p>TA</p>

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<p>Stall turn with 1/2 roll down</p>

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<p>2</p>

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<p>upright</p>

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<p>18</p>

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<p>U</p>

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<p>Loop with roll over top 180</p>

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<p>5</p>

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<p>upright</p>

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<p>19</p>

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<p>U</p>

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<p>Landing</p>

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<p>1</p>

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<p>upright</p>

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<p>On 7/9/2017 7:02 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion wrote: </p>

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<p>Pyramid (triangle from the top base at the bottom)  From the top of the box as you approach center push 3/8 loop to an inverted 45 degree down line 2/4 on this leg to upright.  Push 3/8 to inverted horizontal flight, full roll on this line from inverted

 push back 3/8 loop back towards top center. 2/4 on this line to inverted again, push 3/8 loop back to upright flight

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<p>You are not going to like my answer but as far as the K factor it is similar to the current P-17 triangle which has a 4 pt roll on the top leg and still just a K4</p>

<p>Since you are going to want to make the pyramid large so the 1/2 square down can be big enough not to fear the snap the maneuver preceding the pyramid the half square on corner needs to be large so the asymmetrical  roll (one leg only) should be fairly easy

 to do.  Also going up hill so you have more time for the 2/4.</p>

<p>6 sided loop K factor being a 5.  Can't disagree with you but I can also make the case for a K4.  There are no K5 six sided loops in the current guidelines.  Nothing to compare to say it is as hard or easier.  I think that since it just has 1/2 rolls in

 it is easier than the P-17 six sided FAI is flying now.  Theirs is a K4.</p>

<p>I think I agree with what someone said about K factors needing an overhaul.  'Perhaps going to an IMAC type system to assign K factors is the right direction to go.   This will take a bit of work and can't happen before these sequences need to be done:) 

 But it is something to think about for the future. </p>

<p>As far as the number of spins I am good with 2 or 3 or 1.5 or 2.5 with an added 1/2 roll.  You are happy at 3 Jon recommends 2 which just confirms that not everyone will be happy with the path we chose. 

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<p>I think right now there are 3 clear K5 maneuvers.  Is the pyramid, six sided and or 1 1/4 roll to knife edge a K5 maneuver.  You can make a case with support to go either way. 

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<p>Let me try to get this to format better.  If anyone else has comments on this version or if you support the original Masters proposal from the NSRCA website please let us know. 

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Six sided loop on corner with 1/2 rolls in legs 1, 3, 4, 6, exit inverted (U)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Push at center no rolls on vertical legs.  (inverted exit)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Humpty with options: Push, push, push, 1/2 roll up and a full roll on the downline, exit inverted.  Option 1/4 roll up 3/4 roll down, exit inverted (TA)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">(inverted exit)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">4/8 opposite from inverted, exit inverted (D)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">(inverted exit)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Stall turn with 1/2 rolls reversed going  up and 1/2 roll down, exit upright (TA)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif"> </span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Avalanche with 1/2 roll going in and out</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">1/2 roll to inverted, perform an outside loop with a snap at the top, complete the loop and perform a 1/2 roll to exit upright.</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif; color:black">Half reverse Cuban Eight with a1/2 roll roll on the 45 (TA)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">exit inverted</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Knife edge flight with 1 1/4 rolls in and out. (D)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif"> </span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Top Hat, 3/4 roll up and down exit upright (TA)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif"> </span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Figure Z with 2 consecutive rolls  (U)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif"> </span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">2 turn spin exit inverted (TA)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif"> </span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Reverse cuban eight with full rolls from inverted(D)</span></p>

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<p>Your description of the Pyramid loop still doesn't seem to make sense to me. Am I wrong?

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<p>I like the Avalanche.</p>

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<p>I don't think you've incorporated some of the other changes and as such you still have too many, in my opinion, K5 maneuvers. The Six Sided loop as proposed should be a K5. I feel the 1 1/4 roll KE is a K5. As I mentioned earlier, you could change the Pyramid

 loop to all 1/2 rolls and make it a K4, it's in the Guide that way.</p>

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<p>My suggestion, #3 should be a 1/2 Square Loop w/1/2rolls both legs. #4 should be Pyramid Loop starting from inverted, 1/2 rolls each leg, exit upright.</p>

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<p>I would personally keep the 3 turn spin. I wouldn't go less then 2 with the spin. But you might consider making the Reverse Cuban 8 a regular Cuban 8 just to give more distance between the spin and the 8. That won't affect the entry in to the Stall Turn.</p>

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<p>My suggested sequence. Maneuvers in <span style="color:#fc357d">Red</span> are straight out of the Guide. I've given what I can find in the Guide as the closest example of a proposed new maneuver.</p>

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<p>#1. <span style="color:#fb163d">Take-off (K1)</span></p>

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<p>#2. <span style="font-size:7.5pt"> </span><span style="color:#fb354c">Double Immelmann with half roll first, full roll second, inverted entry, exit upright (K4)</span></p>

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<p>#3. <span style="font-size:10pt"> </span><span style="color:#fc4a79">Half square loop on corner with 1/2 rolls, exit inverted (K2)</span></p>

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<p>#4. Pyramid Loop, inverted entry, 1/2 rolls each leg, exit upright. (K4)</p>

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<p>Guide example - <span style="font-size:7.5pt"> Triangular loop (base at bottom) with half rolls in all legs, exit inverted (K4)</span></p>

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<p>#5. 1/2 Square Outside, 1 Snap down, exit inverted (K3)</p>

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<p>#6. Six Sided Loop on Corner, 1/2 rolls legs 1, 3, 4, 6, exit inverted (K5)</p>

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<p>Guide example - <span style="font-size:7.5pt"> Six sided loop with 2/4 pt roll on top, inverted entry (K4)</span></p>

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<p>#7. Humpty w/Options, exit inverted (K3)</p>

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<p>Guide example - <span style="font-size:7.5pt"> Humpty bump (push, push, push) half roll up, 2/2pt roll down, inverted entry (K3)</span></p>

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<p>#8. two 4 of 8 rolls reversed, exit inverted (K5)</p>

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<p>Guide example - <span style="font-size:7.5pt"> 4/8 pt. roll, inverted entry (K4)</span></p>

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<p>#9. Stall Turn, 2 1/2 rolls reversed up, 1/2 roll down, exit upright (K3)</p>

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<p>Guide example - <span style="font-size:7.5pt"> Stall Turn, 2/4pt roll up, half roll down, inverted entry (K2)</span></p>

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<p>#10. Inverted Avalanche w/1/2 Roll in and out, exit upright (K4)</p>

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<p>Guide example - <span style="font-size:7.5pt"> Avalanche with 1-1/2 snap, inverted entry (from bottom) (K4)</span></p>

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<p>#11. <span style="color:#fc456c">Same as proposed, exit upright (K3)</span></p>

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<p>#12. Same as proposed, exit upright (K5)</p>

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<p>Guide example - <span style="font-size:7.5pt"> Knife edge flight (K4)</span></p>

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<p>#13. <span style="color:#fb2135">Same as proposed, exit upright (K2)</span> Might create an option that doesn't change position. Suggest 1 roll up, 1/2 roll down.</p>

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<p>#14. Figure Z w/2 rolls on 45, exit upright (K4)</p>

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<p>Guide example - <span style="font-size:7.5pt"> Figure Z with 2/2pt roll up (K4)</span></p>

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<p>#15. Three Turn Spin, exit inverted (K2)</p>

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<p>Guide example - <span style="font-size:7.5pt">  Two turn spin (K2)</span></p>

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<p>#16. <span style="color:#fc245a">Cuban 8 w/full rolls, inverted entry and exit (K4)</span></p>

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<p>#17. <span style="color:#fb0636">Stall Turn w/1/2 roll down, exit upright ( K2)</span></p>

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<p>#18. <span style="color:#fb0730">Loop w/Integrated 1 Roll on Top 180</span><span style="color:#fb082d">, exit upright (K5)</span></p>

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<p>#19. <span style="color:#fb182b">Landing (K1)</span></p>

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<p>Total K - 62</p>

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<p>This meets the Guide with a max of 4 K5 maneuvers and is within the K limit of 60 to 63. It does have only 9 of the 19 maneuvers currently in the Guide. Really 7 of 17 if you don't use the Take-off and Landing.</p>

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<p>Tony Frackowiak</p>

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<p>On Jul 9, 2017, at 8:09 AM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion wrote:</p>

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<p>Can certainly change it to 2 spins without changing anything <br>

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On Jul 9, 2017, at 10:30 AM, John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</p>

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<p><b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:'tahoma' ,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:'tahoma' ,sans-serif"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]

<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:13 AM<br>

<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>;

<a href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a><br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different sequence</span></p>

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<p>Much better sequence overall. I believe it is more in line with the intent of the sequence guide. It certainly makes the transition from advanced more doable. It also appears to be less power hungry.</p>

<p>One comment. I, and several others, are not fans of end box spins. In heavy crosswinds, like the last NATS, the plane drifts as allowed without penalty FOR THAT MANEUVER, even if it goes out of box. However, unless the proposal to correct this passes the

 contest board, the following maneuver gets penalized for cross box or out of box before the maneuver actually starts. So the pilot gets a penalty in one maneuver for allowable drift in another. There is no guarantee the proposal will pass.  In this sequence,

 a three turn spin allows even more drift than we have with 2.5 in the current sequence.</p>

<p>I would argue that the entry and exit of a spin are what really count in judging. Therefore, if end box spins are kept, reducing it to one turn or 1.5 with a 1/2 roll out reduces the drift component considerably. 3 turns is just too many for end box.</p>

<p>I'd also suggest that the top hat have a straight ahead option if the pilot does not need to correct in and out. I often wish the current sequence had the option.</p>

<p>Good effort!</p>

<p>Jon</p>

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<p style="margin-bottom:6.75pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:#999999">On Sunday, July 9, 2017 Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:#0000a0"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:#999999">>

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<p>Lets look at this, we can replace the Double key (K 5) with an avalanche K3 to get the snap in a center maneuver or lets put the maneuver we originally had in advanced, and avalanche with ½ roll in and out (K4), and remove the snap from the next maneuver

 reverse cuban turnaround.  Also changed a stall turn to ½ rolls reversed going up.</p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Six sided loop on corner with 1/2 rolls in legs 1, 3, 4, 6, exit inverted (U)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">avalanche with 1/2 roll in and out (U)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">1/2 roll to inverted, perform an outside loop with a snap at the top, complete the loop and perform a 1/2 roll to exit upright.</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">11</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif; color:black">Half reverse Cuban Eight with a 1/2 roll on the 45 (TA)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">3</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Knife edge flight with 1 1/4 rolls in and out. (D)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">exit upright</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">13</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Top Hat, 3/4 roll up and down exit upright (TA)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">2</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">14</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Figure Z with 2 consecutive rolls  (U)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">3 turn spin exit inverted (TA)</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">16</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Reverse cuban eight with full rolls from inverted(D)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">4</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">17</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Stall turn with half roll  down (TA)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">2</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">18</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Loop with integrated roll in top 180 (U)*</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif"> </span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">19</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Landing (U)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">1</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">62</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Goal is 60 to 63</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Minimum of 2, max of 3 cross box maneuvers</span></p>

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<p>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p>

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<p><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion</a><br>

<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, July 9, 2017 3:24 AM<br>

<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net">Frackowiak Tony</a>; <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">

General pattern discussion</a><br>

<b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different sequence</p>

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<p>Tony thanks for looking at this with an open mind and critical eye.  To be honest I wasn’t going to initially post this but was convinced to by a group of D 1 flyers at the contest yesterday.  If for no other reason than to show that the committee did consider

 a more “conventional” sequence in addition to the one that was sent out.</p>

<p>And I did change a few things last night after spending the full day in the sun and I promise only 1 beer at dinner so I may have messed up a thing or 2.</p>

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<p>Can this be the basis of the recommended sequence?  As I understand the process the committee sends the proposals to the BOD.  They review and in this case have asked for membership feedback and then make their recommendations to the committee.  If the BOD

 decides that sequence 1 is too difficult and this one meets the goals of the NSRCA better then they can ask us to tweak this one instead.  Did I send this out at the request of the entire sequence committee?  No I did not.</p>

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<p>#4 From top of the box push 3/8 loop to a 45 2 of 4 push back to level inverted flight full roll across the bottom push back 3/8 loop to a 45 degree up line towards top center of the box 2 of 4 and push 3/8 loop back to horizontal (upright)</p>

<p>Can easily make a case to be a K5 <span style="font-family:'segoe ui symbol' ,sans-serif">

😊</span></p>

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<p>#6 correct ½ rolls only I will have to review current maneuvers for the K factor. Pretty late right now but I wanted to provide a response as best I could.</p>

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<p>#12 comes from P19 and that is the k factor they gave it so that is what we were using right or wrong we have to start somewhere. 

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<p>Double key only reason it is in here is it is in P19 and as I stated I sort of like having a few of the same maneuvers as FAI (not the clown dance)  I need to try to fly it to see if it really a good maneuver or not but it is certainly an easy place to swap

 to a K4.</p>

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<p>Roll reversal:  The knife edge flight you have to roll the other way after knife edge to come out upright.  But one can be put in the stall turns as well or somewhere else if we think another one needs to be included.</p>

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<p>Snaps.  You are correct I misplaced one trying to simplify the pattern a little. Maybe after the 1 1/4 roll in the middle of the knife edge flight

<span style="font-family:'segoe ui symbol' ,sans-serif">😊</span>  </p>

<p>I will look at the sequence and get one back in there.</p>

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<p>Stuart </p>

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<p><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net">Frackowiak Tony</a><br>

<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, July 9, 2017 1:48 AM<br>

<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:schale1@outlook.com">Stuart Chale</a>; <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">

General pattern discussion</a><br>

<b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different sequence</p>

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<p>Stuart, </p>

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<p>#4. The description doesn't seem to make sense. Isn't it an upright entry, PUSH to 45, 2 of 4 roll, PULL to level flight, Full roll from upright to upright, PULL to 45, 2 of 4 roll, push to exit upright? Or am I missing something? Also, it seems to be pushing

 being a K4. Here are the two closest examples in the Guide.</p>

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<p><span style="font-size:7.5pt; font-family:'helvetica' ,sans-serif"> Triangular loop from top (base at bottom) w/ half rolls on 45 degree legs, 2/4-pt roll on</span></p>

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<p>It would seem that the maneuver proposed should be a K5. You might want to go with 1/2 rolls on all legs and redo a few things to get the upright/inverted thing going again.</p>

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<p>#6. I had to actually draw this one out to visualize it. Just so I'm sure, you enter inverted and at center push to a 30 degree angle? I like the maneuver but I think it's really a K5 not a 4. The Guide has no 6-sided loop on corner, but a standard 6-sided

 with just a 2 of 4 on top is a K4.</p>

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<p>#12. I still feel that a very good case can be made that this maneuver is a K5, not a K4. </p>

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<p>Both snaps are in turnaround maneuvers. You need a center snap. Guide says: <span style="font-size:7.5pt"> Minimum of two Snap Rolls but no more than three (one may be a turnaround maneuver). </span>

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<p>The only roll reversal is in the 4/8 opposite. You might want to incorporate another in one of the looping maneuvers. Maybe in the Figure Z. Maybe a 3 of 4 with a reverse 3 of 4. Or something less. Maybe just reverse the 2 rolls. But that might bump it to

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<p>You have to address the snap issue and in my opinion you have too many K5 maneuvers. Maximum according to the Guide is 4. I think this has to be addressed. I would dump the Double Key and use a K4 from the Guide in it's place as a start.</p>

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<p>Otherwise to me it looks like a better pattern to work with then the current proposal.</p>

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<p>Is there any chance that what is worked out here might actually make it in as an official proposal?</p>

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<p>Tony Frackowiak</p>

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<p>On Jul 8, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion wrote:</p>

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<p>Thank you, you are correct I swapped the Cuban with a roll to allow better entry to the knife edge roll</p>

<p>To keep the Cuban an inverted entry and exit we can change the spin to 3 turn spin with an inverted exit (may bump the k?)</p>

<p>And change the stall turn to 1/2 roll down only.</p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Takeoff (U)</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">2</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Double Immelman with knife edge flight (U)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Pull to 1/2 loop, immediate 1/4 roll, knife edge flight, 1/4 roll same direction, immediate push to 1/2 outside loop, immediate 1/4 roll, knife edge flight, 1/4 roll same direction to level upright exit

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">3</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">1/2 square loop on corner with 2/4 pt rolls in 2nd leg (TA)</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">4</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Pyramid loop, 2/4, Full roll, 2/4 (D)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">4</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Push back to 45 deg down line, 2/4 pt roll, push to level flight, Full roll  from inverted, push back to to 45 up line, 2/4 pt roll, push to level upright exit</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">5</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">1/2 square outside loop, full snap (+ or -) in vert down line, exit inverted (TA)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">3</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">(inverted exit)</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">6</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Six sided loop on corner with 1/2 rolls in legs 1, 3, 4, 6, exit inverted (U)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">4</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Push at center no rolls on vertical legs.  (inverted exit)</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">7</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Humpty with options: Push, push, push, 1/2 roll up and a full roll on the downline, exit inverted.  Option 1/4 roll up 3/4 roll down, exit inverted (TA)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">3</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">(inverted exit)</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">8</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">4/8 opposite from inverted, exit inverted (D)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">(inverted exit)</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">9</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Stall turn with 2/2 rolls up and 1/2 roll down, exit upright (TA)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">3</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">10</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Double Key with full roll, 1/2 roll, 1/2 roll, full roll (U)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Pull to a vert up line, full roll, pull back to a 45 deg down line, 1/2 roll, push to a 45 deg up line, 1/2 roll, pull to a vertical downline, full roll, pull to level upright exit</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">11</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif; color:black">Half reverse Cuban Eight with a positive snap roll roll on the 45 (TA)</span></p>

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<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">3</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">exit inverted</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">12</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Knife edge flight with 1 1/4 rolls in and out. (D)</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">13</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Top Hat, 3/4 roll up and down exit upright (TA)</span></p>

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<p align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">14</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Figure Z with 2 consecutive rolls  (U)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">3 turn spin exit inverted (TA)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Reverse cuban eight with full rolls from inverted(D)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Stall turn with half roll down (TA)</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Loop with integrated roll in top 180 (U)*</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-family:'arial' ,sans-serif">Landing (U)</span></p>

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I believe the reverse cuban with full rolls should be from upright.<br>

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