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<p>Here is version 1.0 of Masters Criteria which dates back to 2010:</p>
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<h3 style="margin: 12pt 0in 3pt; text-align: justify;"><a name="_Toc272919827"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 14pt;">Annex A4 - Masters Class Design Criteria (AMA event #404)</span></a></h3>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify; tab-stops: 6.25in;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Masters is the destination class in the progression of AMA R/C Precision Aerobatic Classes. Masters is designated as event #404
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</span>Masters is where the skills built on in Sportsman through Advanced (401, 402, and 403) are now applied.</font></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify; tab-stops: 6.25in;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">The primary purpose of this class is to develop and demonstrate a pilot’s proficiency and skills to:</font></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Fly straight wind corrected vertical lines with centered maneuvers</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Fly with required geometry and accuracy of the maneuvers</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Fly accurate angles in all maneuvers</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Properly position maneuvers (centering and turnaround locations)</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Perform standard Takeoff and Landing maneuvers</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Perform combinations of difficult/complex precision maneuvers in the box</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Fly proper entry/exit lines for all maneuvers</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Fly constant entry/exit radii for all maneuvers</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Properly position all elements within a maneuver (centering in lines)</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Maintain constant aircraft track parallel to the runway in all conditions</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Perform the sequence gracefully with consistent flow and precision</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify; tab-stops: 6.25in;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Airframes utilized will typically be current state-of-the-art F3A level models and older top of the line designs.
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify; tab-stops: 6.25in;"><font face="Times New Roman"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Design Considerations</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Should be a stepping-stone to F3A but not on an equal footing in terms of model requirements.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Skill based maneuvers that a well-practiced and skilled pilot can use to perfect the figures, not maneuvers that are airplane based like many of the current F3A schedules.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Should be well balanced as to cover the vast majority of skill sets.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Includes rolling both directions and hesitation rolls.
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Includes Snaps and Spins but not the snap and roll combos seen in F3A.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Centering skills and box management for turnarounds. This includes correction maneuvers after snaps and spins (Humpty bumps or top hat turnarounds).</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Complex figures that are possible to complete but difficult to score high marks. These being figures that have lots of elements to make mistakes are a good show of pilot preparation and skill.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Almost equal weighting for upright or inverted entry or exits.
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Focus is on perfection of shapes and flying skills that will favor the practiced pilot.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">The skills that are built in Sportsman through Advanced are now applied in Masters with maybe some different looks.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Level of difficulty up near the F3A Preliminary sequence.
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Sequence should not include any of the F3A Finals maneuvers such as rolling loops, circles or the detail and demanding snap maneuvers that are in the F3A Finals patterns.
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Middle ground is equal to F3A Preliminary but less airframe demanding to fewer skills required than the F3A Preliminary sequence.
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Emphasis is on pilot skill and practice and not the latest model or power requirements.
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Difficulty in judging shall be taken into account when selecting sequence maneuvers.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Goal is for a total sequence K-factor up in the mid 60’s to 70 for a 23 maneuver sequence,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>low to mid 60’s for a 21 maneuver sequence , and low 60’s for a 19 maneuver sequence.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Goal is 19 to 23 figures total including Takeoff and Landing.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in; text-align: justify; tab-stops: 6.25in;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">The following criteria define the structure and boundaries to be closely adhered to in designing a balanced Masters sequence
covering the vast majority of skill sets:</font></span></p>
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">Maneuvers shall be selected from the Annex B4A and B4B Maneuver Catalogs.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="color: black;"><u>New maneuvers may be added to the Annex B Catalogs provided they meet all criteria set forth in the applicable class.</u></span></span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Total K-Factor range: 60 to 70 depending on sequence length as stated in design considerations.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Total maneuvers (including Takeoff and Landing): 19 Minimum, 23 Maximum</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">The sequence shall have only one box entry and exit
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">No more than one of the same family of maneuvers used in the sequence as a center maneuver.
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Exceptions to this requirement are stated below.
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">No more than two of the same family of maneuvers used in the sequence as turnarounds (i.e. no more than two stall turn variants or half square loop variants).
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Minimum of two cross box maneuvers but no more than three.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">Minimum of one maneuver that incorporates a 4/8 pt roll. An 8 point roll may be substituted or included in the same sequence.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">Minimum of two but no more than three downwind rolling maneuvers. These shall include a minimum of one but no more than two maneuvers that incorporate reverse rolling.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">Minimum of two but not more than four maneuvers with a K-factor of 5.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">Minimum of two but not more than four stall turns.
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Maximum of two turnaround stall turns. Maximum of two turnaround stall turns in conjunction with one double stall turn type center maneuver (Double stall turns or Figure M’s).</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">Minimum of 25% inverted exits/entries to inverted flight.</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">Minimum of one Spin (center maneuver) but no more than two (one center and one turnaround maneuver).</span><font face="Times New Roman">
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Verne Koester via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Gayer<br>
<b>Cc:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed masters sequence thoughts</font>
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<div>I was on the Sequence Committee with Joe Lachowski and Dave Lockhart. We never had an integrated Loop/Roll in any of our schedules. That started after that when Dale Olstinske became Chairman and was based on a survey where simple integrated loop/roll
combos were approved. </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">The first set of schedules had a full roll over the top ninety degrees of the loop. The second set which is the current schedule has a half roll over the top ninety degrees. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Verne Koester<br>
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On Jul 8, 2017, at 4:52 PM, John Gayer <<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Best I can do about the sequence guide history is go back to 2012. I believe that was the last cycle that Joe L was Chairman.
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Here is the description of Masters contained in the document. Maybe someone else has earlier versions. Seems to imply that masters should have easier sequences than FAI. Not seeing that in the current sequence or especially the proposed sequence when you compare
to FAI preliminaries.<br>
John<br>
<font color="#000000">8.4 Masters Class Design Criteria (AMA event #404)<br>
8.4.1 Definition<br>
Masters is the destination class in the progression of AMA R/C Precision Aerobatic Classes. Masters is<br>
designated as event #404 in the AMA Radio Control Aerobatics Regulations. Masters is where the<br>
skills built on in Sportsman through Advanced (401, 402, and 403) are now applied. Masters also<br>
functions as a development class for FAI. As such, it should begin to teach some of the simpler loop<br>
roll combinations.<br>
The primary purpose of this class is to develop and demonstrate a pilot’s proficiency and skills to:<br>
• Fly straight wind corrected vertical lines with centered maneuvers<br>
• Fly with required geometry and accuracy of the maneuvers<br>
• Fly accurate angles in all maneuvers<br>
• Properly position maneuvers (centering and turnaround locations)<br>
• Perform standard Takeoff and Landing maneuvers<br>
• Perform combinations of difficult/complex precision maneuvers in the box<br>
• Fly proper entry/exit lines for all maneuvers<br>
• Fly constant entry/exit radii for all maneuvers<br>
• Properly position all elements within a maneuver (centering in lines)<br>
• Maintain constant aircraft track parallel to the runway in all conditions<br>
• Perform the sequence gracefully with consistent flow and precision</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/8/2017 1:12 PM, Verne Koester via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<div>First, go back and edit page 2 of the Sequence Development Guideline to describe all changes made from the original document to date. I think the buzzword for that is transparency. </div>
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<div>The survey part is easy. Ask the members what type of maneuvers they think should be at each level without putting a spin or sales pitch into the question and then act accordingly. You should also be asking questions about rules proposals the NSRCA intends
to submit to the AMA Contest Board. Lacking a survey to back up the proposal, it doesn't carry any more or less weight than any other submitted proposal. </div>
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<div>I've known you for a long time and consider you a friend. I have no doubt your intentions are good. My decision to quit the NSRCA happened before you became President. You just happened to walk in as I was walking out. </div>
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<div>I'm hearing a lot of dissension out on the Contest trail. Most of it centers around the schedules, past and proposed. Masters looks like FAI, Advanced looks like Masters, and Intermediate is basically just screwed in the process. </div>
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I suspect that's part of the invisible adjustments I referenced on page 2 of the Sequence Development Guide.</div>
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<div>If I were taking the survey, I'd tell you to take the integrated rollers and no hesitation reverse rolls out of Masters, and recognize that Advanced has more than enough on their plate learning to do a slow and 4 point roll, snap and spin in their schedule.
Reclassifying a Figure M with Quarter Rolls as a K4 when it's always been a K5 and then throwing that in the mix for someone moving up from Intermediate is just outrageous. It was also the final straw that sent me out the door. </div>
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<div>That said, part of the reason I decided to jump into the fire was to help turn things around. I personally reached out to folks in D2 before throwing my hat into the ring and gained a lot of insight on some of the underlying concerns and it was a big
contributor to me offering to change things. D2 has been doing a lot of work to help improve the organization and it’s very much appreciated. D4 was not chastised by “the Board”. We did not leave a conversation that was on the table with clear direction
on how to proceed and folks had different understandings. We are working hard to ensure that doesn’t happen anymore by being clear with language and ensure we have all the information before making a decision on any topic. You’ll see that topic of clear
communication and gathering all the information repeated over and over again, the sequence proposals bringing it to light once again. You’ll notice that a big part of changing the guide this time is focused on clarification of language and terminology, rather
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<div>Regarding the survey of members, what would bring you back into the organization Verne? What are the right questions do you feel need to be asked? I’ll never have a problem asking for people’s thoughts. My sole (soul? ;-) ) request is to keep the feedback
focused on information and specifics. That’s the only way to run an organization, right?</div>
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">You very nearly lost the NSRCA D4 VP after he was chastised for seeking input from the members he represents before the schedules were officially made public.</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">A few years ago, the NSRCA D2 resigned after his input within the Board was routinely ignored because he wasn’t part of the “inner circle”. The NSRCA lost nearly everyone from D2 in the process
and they started their own organization called the Northeast Pattern Association. Nobody from the NSRCA even bothered to contact anyone from D2 to find out why. In fairness to you, you weren’t the President at that time.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">There’s been much mention of the Sequence Development Guidelines. Please look at Page 2 of that document. Numerous changes were made to it during the last administration which are properly
noted and dated. However, there’s zero mention of what the changes actually were. So basically. It’s change the Sequence Development Guide it to whatever the Sequence Committee decides to do and then point to the guide as justification for what’s proposed.
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">The time for a survey of NSRCA members is long overdue. Do that, ask the right questions, post the results, and then the request is reasonable.</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>J [<a style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net">mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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Thanks for chiming in Verne. Your perspective is very much appreciated. </div>
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As a point of clarification, there is much listening going on. The perception that the board is acting devoid of any input is incorrect. The BoD's main responsibility is to ensure compliance. There were some issues that were out of compliance that have since
been corrected and the result of the direction was a revised sequence that has now been posted for member comment. We are in that process now and it's our job to filter through those comments and consolidate that information to give back to the sequence committee
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There has been much work in pulling this current proposal together that has included a lot of member input. And that process continues now. Let's all give the process a chance to work. Is that an unreasonable request?</div>
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You just made the case AGAINST adopting the FAI P pattern for Masters. You have all those Masters pilots at your contest and most of contests in your District. If they wanted to fly FAI, they already would be flying it. The last time the NSRCA actually surveyed
its members, Masters pilots overwhelmingly rejected Masters adopting the FAI P pattern. They also agreed by a slim majority to try a few simple integrated loop roll maneuvers. That doesn't seem to matter anymore either. As a member of the AMA Contest Board,
it's my job to LISTEN to what the people in my AMA District are saying and then vote on Rules Proposals. What I'm hearing locally at contests is that members aren't happy about the schedules, difficulty creep, and the growing gaps between the classes. The
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<div>The reason to adopt P Pattern is to make easier to split groups between masters and fai in local contest. It makes easier to flip flop between both. This weekend we have the Cedar Rapids contest. We have about 6-8 masters no FAI and one Advanced.
We got 4 or 5 in club and sportsmans. Looks like we are going to have judging problems or overloading the guys that know how to judge. I know about the Silver class but that is a good solution when we have a lot of pilots in masters and FAI. That is not
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<span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;">Given the comments so far on Masters, there is still a long way to go. I agree with Tony F. If the intent is to drive people from masters, this is the sequence to do it.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;">Some people have compared the new Masters sequence to what IMAC does.Trying to compare pattern to IMAC is apples and oranges. IMAC doesn't have to center, match radii, match line lengths, fly in
a box, maintain 150 meters or have an emphasis on smoothness and gracefulness. Heck, they don't even have to land their own aircraft. Their emphasis is on snaps, via the 1 point per 5 degree rule, if I understand their rules. Witness what happened when top
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<span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;">I was ok with a simple roller that was safe when it was first proposed. There was a howl when we did it that it would open Pandora's box, and unfortunately, it appears it did. I don't believe anyone
at the time contemplated there being more than one per sequence. And with the infatuation with knife edge manuevers, we are making the transition from advanced way too difficult. We do NOTHING in the lower classes that prepares them for what they now face
in Masters. We had that right about right two sequences ago, and now we screwed it up. Now we are even throwing in instantaneous transition between roll directions. So a new Masters pilot faces two rollers, three complex knife edge maneuvers, and instant
roll direction changes. Why would anyone want to move up? Heck, if I was still in advanced, I wouldn't want to. From what I've seen this year in advanced flying, that pattern is very difficult to fly well, but it still doesn't have the building blocks for
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<span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;">I also don't understand the tendency to completely ignore the maneuvers in the guide. They are there for a reason. Seems to be a tendency to incorporate FAI maneuvers and ignore the building block
concept which the guide maneuvers provide. I'd suggest that the development guide restrict the introduction of new, non-guide maneuvers to no more than two per sequence, certainly not the majority of maneuvers as in the proposed sequence. There is zero reason
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