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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Is there any reason why the NAT's site
layout for the different classes hasn't been released? I would imagine that
planning has already taken place and some of us would like to know.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>1. Is Intermediate and Advanced
classes sharing a site like at Munci in the past? If so, will Advance fly
in the morning or afternoon session?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>2. I understand that there will be 3
sites setup, one each on the north, mid, and south taxiway E/W connectors
between the N/S taxiway and the active runway. I hear that the flight
direction will be E/W with the flyers facing south. Is this info accurate
and if so, which classes will occupy each of the 3 sites?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>3. Where and when will be courtesy
weigh in be setup?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Mike's NAT's News letter #5 said that we
would receive a mailing with all this info but I haven't received
anything but a letter from the AMA with the NAT's flyer in it. Some of us
older codgers would appreciate having this info so we basically know where we
will be going on base before we get there. TIA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Curt Oberg</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> NSRCA-discussion
[mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</st1:PersonName>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joe Walker via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 08, 2017 8:18
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Chuck Hochhalter; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed masters sequence thoughts</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Now that I’ve learned the discussion list lingo… +1 Chuck!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>and thanks Jon. We agree on stuff too! Yeah!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Jul 8, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This is all true but in my time of DVP not one meeting was closed door.
If you want to be included, and correct me if I am wrong, ask the dvo to give
you the call in info for the next meeting and speak your peace on any topic at
the appropriate time, but when the meeting turns to the agenda that does not
include public input be respectful and let the meeting commence and be a silent
observer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><i><font size=3 color="#333333" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;font-style:italic'>Sent from my Verizon
4G LTE Droid</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Jul 8, 2017 7:46 PM, Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Tom,<br>
I will back Joe up on this one. The meetings tend to be long and dull, with
brief periods of excitement when a controversial topic came up (like
sequences). A lot of the meetings were taken up by routine VP reports,
treasurer reports, and yes, the K-Factor, especially when we decided to go
digital, plus change publishers for cost savings. We also had to mend fences
between NSRCA and the AMA Contest board, as communication had completely broken
down on rules proposals. To be honest, that took a lot of arm twisting, and we
had some very frank and sometimes heated discussions, but we came to an
amicable resolution. Yes, I tried to keep that issue out of the limelight as
there were hurt feelings on both sides, and we needed to figure out a path
ahead. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>When I was Pres,
we would invite in people to BoD meetings like the Nats ED, organizers for the
F3P team trials,, the World Champs Team manager, webmaster, special
committee's, etc. Any of them can tell you how dull the meetings were, as most
bailed out of the call as soon as they could! Part of the problem
is virtually all of the BoD meetings are conference calls, and getting a
reliable conference call with so many people can be problematic. Further, we
couldn't start before 9PM eastern, or 6 Pacific because of work schedules. I
know Joe tries to hold meetings to an agenda, and so did I. He tries to wrap
things up in an hour, whereas my meetings often went for 2, as we were trying to
regain compliance with mandatory NSRCA and AMA requirements (not always
successfully). Scott McHarg was a big help in making timely meeting minutes,
and the invaluable Book of Motions, so we had a ready record of the final
decisions made by motions. Before, we had to go back thru old minutes and try
to find motions buried within. Often, "everybody knew" something had
been voted on, but we had no real record.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>There used to be a
BoD meeting at the Nats, but at some Nats very few officers could attend, so a
meeting was pointless. The one year we did have one, everyone was so burned out
at the end of a day of flying, that trying to do anything meaningful was tough.
Some members came to that meeting, and I attended one before I became
President. I advised my successor <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jon Carter</st1:PersonName>,
to not bother having one, but instead have an informal get together of any
available officers. His second year, he had a general membership meeting, a
good idea. I believe Joe intends to continue that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We never tried to
exclude anyone from BoD meetings, but encouraged people to work thru their DVPs
where possible. We tried to keep people abreast of issues thru the KFactor and
this list. Joe is making every effort to do the same.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=1 color="#999999"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:8.5pt;color:#999999'>On Saturday,
July 8, 2017 J via NSRCA-discussion <</span></font><font size=1
color="#0000a0"><span style='font-size:8.5pt;color:#0000A0'><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></span></font><font
size=1 color="#999999"><span style='font-size:8.5pt;color:#999999'>> wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It's not exclusionary.
It's quite dull actually. The only reason it isn't a free for all is simply to
respect everyone's time. The minutes are posted, even faster now so there is no
mystery to anything. The budget reports are included. The topics of discussion
are brought up by the DVP's. Every member has complete availability to bring up
any topic they want to their DVP or any other member of the board. If there is
a topic that you feel needs to be heard by the board or the entire membership,
ask and you can be a guest at the meeting. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Your point about not
following the rules is very well taken because the rules aren't clearly
accessible. As new people come into a position, they just start doing the best
they can. </span>I've made it my personal mission to collect and align all
information in its various forms to be cleaned up, updated, and posted to the
website in a logical and accessible location for everyone to see anything they
want at any time. There is no restriction on information. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>What specifically is a
concern to you Tom? Just so I'm clear, I'm not asking what your
impression of other people's options are, I'm asking for you
specifically. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hope this is
helpful. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Joe walker,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>NSRCA President <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jul 8, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Tom Stennis via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Joe,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have been listening to
all the conversation on the discussion and it appears that the rules have
always not been adhered to. Now do I understand That the board of directors are
meeting in closed secession and the membership is not allowed to attend. This
is totally unacceptable what does the board have to hide. You are destroying
the organization with this this controlled information. I was an member of
NSRCA when it was formed and understand that this type of action is why it is
declining. No one has any confidence in the leadership.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Tom Stennis <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jul 8, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Verne Koester via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks, Joe, but first,
go out flying and have some fun - lol<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Verne Koester<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jul 8, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Joe Walker <<a
href="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net">vellum2@bellsouth.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Transparency indeed!
That’s an easy fix. On it and I’ll have those posted.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Oh, the easy part!
LOL. The BoD has a meeting on Wednesday night and I’ve added
the survey to the agenda to talk about. Survey data is always good
information and I’m completely on board with gathering up all the
information to help guide the decision making process.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks Verne!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Joe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Jul 8, 2017, at 3:12
PM, Verne Koester <<a href="mailto:verne@mi.rr.com">verne@mi.rr.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>First, go back and edit
page 2 of the Sequence Development Guideline to describe all changes made from
the original document to date. I think the buzzword for that is
transparency. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The survey part is easy.
Ask the members what type of maneuvers they think should be at each level
without putting a spin or sales pitch into the question and then act
accordingly. You should also be asking questions about rules proposals
the NSRCA intends to submit to the AMA Contest Board. Lacking a survey to back
up the proposal, it doesn't carry any more or less weight than any other
submitted proposal. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I've known you for a long
time and consider you a friend. I have no doubt your intentions are good. My
decision to quit the NSRCA happened before you became President. You just
happened to walk in as I was walking out. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm hearing a lot of
dissension out on the Contest trail. Most of it centers around the schedules,
past and proposed. Masters looks like FAI, Advanced looks like Masters, and
Intermediate is basically just screwed in the process. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>FAI has turned into an
elite, professional class that most pattern pilots don't and won't have the
time or skill to participate in. Masters was not categorized as a
"stepping stone" to FAI when I was on the Sequence Committee, it was
a destination class. I suspect that's part of the invisible adjustments I
referenced on page 2 of the Sequence Development Guide.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>If I were taking the
survey, I'd tell you to take the integrated rollers and no hesitation reverse
rolls out of Masters, and recognize that Advanced has more than enough on their
plate learning to do a slow and 4 point roll, snap and spin in their schedule.
Reclassifying a Figure M with Quarter Rolls as a K4 when it's always been a K5
and then throwing that in the mix for someone moving up from Intermediate is
just outrageous. It was also the final straw that sent me out the door. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jul 8, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Joe Walker <<a
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that perspective Verne. And I value that input.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>That said, part of the
reason I decided to jump into the fire was to help turn things around. I
personally reached out to folks in D2 before throwing my hat into the ring and
gained a lot of insight on some of the underlying concerns and it was a big
contributor to me offering to change things. D2 has been doing a lot of
work to help improve the organization and it’s very much appreciated.
D4 was not chastised by “the Board”. We did not leave a
conversation that was on the table with clear direction on how to proceed and
folks had different understandings. We are working hard to ensure that
doesn’t happen anymore by being clear with language and ensure we have
all the information before making a decision on any topic. You’ll
see that topic of clear communication and gathering all the information
repeated over and over again, the sequence proposals bringing it to light once
again. You’ll notice that a big part of changing the guide this
time is focused on clarification of language and terminology, rather than
changing the intent. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regarding the survey of
members, what would bring you back into the organization Verne? What are
the right questions do you feel need to be asked? I’ll never have a
problem asking for people’s thoughts. My sole (soul? ;-) ) request
is to keep the feedback focused on information and specifics.
That’s the only way to run an organization, right?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Jul 8, 2017, at 1:25
PM, Verne Koester <<a href="mailto:verne@mi.rr.com">verne@mi.rr.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Joe,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>If it
appears that I’m skeptical, you’re correct, I am.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>You
very nearly lost the NSRCA D4 VP after he was chastised for seeking input from
the members he represents before the schedules were officially made public.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.4pt'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>A few
years ago, the NSRCA D2 resigned after his input within the Board was routinely
ignored because he wasn’t part of the “inner circle”. The NSRCA
lost nearly everyone from D2 in the process and they started their own
organization called the Northeast Pattern Association. Nobody from the NSRCA
even bothered to contact anyone from D2 to find out why. In fairness to you,
you weren’t the President at that time. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>There’s
been much mention of the Sequence Development Guidelines. Please look at Page 2
of that document. Numerous changes were made to it during the last
administration which are properly noted and dated. However, there’s zero
mention of what the changes actually were. So basically. It’s change the
Sequence Development Guide it to whatever the Sequence Committee decides to do
and then point to the guide as justification for what’s proposed. Pretty
much turns it into a useless document.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>The
time for a survey of NSRCA members is long overdue. Do that, ask the right
questions, post the results, and then the request is reasonable.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Verne
Koester</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font>J
[<a href="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net</span></font></a>] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 08, 2017
12:41 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Verne Koester; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Vicente Bortone<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Proposed masters sequence thoughts<o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks for chiming in
Verne. Your perspective is very much appreciated. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>As a point of
clarification, there is much listening going on. The perception that the board
is acting devoid of any input is incorrect. The BoD's main responsibility is to
ensure compliance. There were some issues that were out of compliance that have
since been corrected and the result of the direction was a revised sequence
that has now been posted for member comment. We are in that process now and
it's our job to filter through those comments and consolidate that information
to give back to the sequence committee for revisions. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>There has been much work
in pulling this current proposal together that has included a lot of member
input. And that process continues now. Let's all give the process a chance to
work. Is that an unreasonable request?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jul 8, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Verne Koester via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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