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<div>Some of the K factors like the knife edge roll are taken from the FAI catalog. <br>
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On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Both of the cross box maneuvers have no options to stay in line.
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<div>Every Square Vertical 8 in the current Guide has a K of 5. Why would this one be a 4? </div>
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<div>Downwind KE Golf Ball is still a poor choice and should have a K of 5. </div>
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<div>The KE flight with 1 1/4 rolls without some definition of the length of the KE will end up being two 1 1/4 rolls. Plus simple KE flight in the current Guide is a K4. Why should this be a K4 with the addition of two 1 1/4 rolls? Should be a 5.
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<div>Two rolls reversed in the Current Guide is a K4. The elimination of the pause makes this a more difficult maneuver yet it stays at K4? Should at least be a 5.</div>
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<div>I'm sorry, but in my opinion this needs a fresh piece of paper and start over. Start by making the composition of the Sequence Committee according to the Charter.</div>
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<div>Tony Frackowiak</div>
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<div>On Jul 7, 2017, at 4:35 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion wrote:</div>
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<div text="#3333FF" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Let's try this one.<br>
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<colgroup><col style="width:20pt" width="26"><col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:20772;width:426pt" width="568"><col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:987;width:20pt" width="27"><col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:2669;
width:55pt" span="2" width="73"><col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:19565;width:401pt" width="535"><col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:2377;width:49pt" width="65"><col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:6692;width:137pt" width="183"></colgroup>
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<td class="xl67" style="height:24.95pt;width:20pt" width="26" height="33"> </td>
<td class="xl87" style="border-left:none;width:426pt" width="568">Maneuver</td>
<td class="xl84" style="border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">KF</td>
<td class="xl84" style="border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Exit</td>
<td class="xl85" style="width:55pt" width="73"><br>
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<td class="xl86" style="width:401pt" width="535">Change maneuver to:</td>
<td class="xl86" style="width:49pt" width="65">New K</td>
<td class="xl86" style="width:137pt" width="183">new exit</td>
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<td class="xl71" style="height:24.95pt;width:20pt" width="26" height="33">1</td>
<td class="xl72" style="border-left:none;width:426pt" width="568">Takeoff</td>
<td class="xl73" style="border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">1</td>
<td class="xl74" style="border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73"> </td>
<td class="xl74" style="border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73"> </td>
<td class="xl74" style="border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535"> </td>
<td class="xl74" style="border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">1</td>
<td class="xl75" style="border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183"> </td>
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<td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
2</td>
<td class="xl65" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt" width="568">
Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight inside loop then outside loop</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">5</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">U</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Triangle Loop from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap on top leg,</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">5</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
inverted</td>
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<td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
3</td>
<td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt" width="568">
1/2 Loop with Integrated 1/2 Roll</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">3</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">TA</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
2 1/2 turn inverted spin</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">3</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
inverted</td>
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<td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
4</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Triangle Loop from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap on top leg</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">5</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">inverted</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">D</td>
<td class="xl65" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight outside loop then inside loop</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">5</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
upright</td>
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<td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none" height="33">5</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>1/2 Square Loop with Snap Roll in down track</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">4</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">TA</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up, 3/4 Roll down</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">2</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
inverted</td>
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<td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none" height="33">6</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2, two 1/4 Rolls opposite in leg 4</td>
<td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">4</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">inverted</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">U</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2 and 4</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">4</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
inverted</td>
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<td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
7</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Humpty Bump with Roll Options, 2 of 2 Roll up, Full Roll down; or 3/4 Roll up and down</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">3</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">TA</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls down</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">2</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
upright</td>
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<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
8</td>
<td class="xl65" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt" width="568">
Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">4</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">inverted</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">D</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">4</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
upright</td>
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<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none" height="33">9</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls opposite up, 1/2 Roll down</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">3</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">TA</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>up, 1/2 Roll down</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">3</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
upright</td>
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<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
10</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Vertical Cuban 8 with 1/2 Roll, Full Roll</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">4</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Inverted</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">U</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
Vertical square 8 from bottom,<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>full roll at mid-level, 1/2 roll 2nd mid-level</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">4</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
inverted</td>
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<td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none" height="33">11</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Trombone with Roll</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">2</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">TA</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
reverse shark, snap on 45</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">4</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
upright</td>
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<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none" height="33">12</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Golf Ball with 3/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">4</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">D</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
Golf Ball with 1/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">4</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
inverted</td>
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<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl79" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
13</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up, 3/4 Roll down</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">2</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">TA</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
Humpty Bump push top, 3/4 Roll up and down</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">2</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
upright</td>
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<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none" height="33">14</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Figure Z with 4 of 8 Roll in 45</td>
<td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">4</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Inverted</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">U</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">4</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
</td>
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<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl79" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
15</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Inverted 2-turn Spin<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">2</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">TA</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
1/2 square loop with full roll</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">2</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
upright</td>
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<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
16</td>
<td class="xl65" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt" width="568">
Two Slow Rolls opposite, no hesitation</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">4</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">D</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">4</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none" height="33">17</td>
<td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Stall turn with half rolls up and down</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">2</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">TA</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">2</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
18</td>
<td class="xl65" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt" width="568">
Loop with Integrated Roll in top 180</td>
<td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73">U</td>
<td class="xl88" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">5</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
19</td>
<td class="xl65" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt" width="568">
Landing</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">1</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73"> </td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73"> </td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65">1</td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
</td>
<td class="xl65" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt" width="568">
</td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27"> </td>
<td class="xl66" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73"> </td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73"> </td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:401pt" width="535">
</td>
<td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt" width="65"> </td>
<td class="xl77" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt" width="183">
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
<td class="xl80" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
width:20pt" width="26" height="33">
</td>
<td class="xl81" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt" width="568">
Total K-factor</td>
<td class="xl81" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt" width="27">62</td>
<td class="xl81" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73"> </td>
<td class="xl82" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt" width="73"> </td>
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