<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I was on the Sequence Committee with Joe Lachowski and Dave Lockhart. We never had an integrated Loop/Roll in any of our schedules. That started after that when Dale Olstinske became Chairman and was based on a survey where simple integrated loop/roll combos were approved. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">The first set of schedules had a full roll over the top ninety degrees of the loop. The second set which is the current schedule has a half roll over the top ninety degrees. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Verne Koester<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 8, 2017, at 4:52 PM, John Gayer <<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Best I can do about the sequence guide history is go back to 2012. I
believe that was the last cycle that Joe L was Chairman. <br>
Here is the description of Masters contained in the document. Maybe
someone else has earlier versions. Seems to imply that masters
should have easier sequences than FAI. Not seeing that in the
current sequence or especially the proposed sequence when you
compare to FAI preliminaries.<br>
John<br>
<font color="#000000">8.4 Masters Class Design Criteria (AMA event
#404)<br>
8.4.1 Definition<br>
Masters is the destination class in the progression of AMA R/C
Precision Aerobatic Classes. Masters is<br>
designated as event #404 in the AMA Radio Control Aerobatics
Regulations. Masters is where the<br>
skills built on in Sportsman through Advanced (401, 402, and 403)
are now applied. Masters also<br>
functions as a development class for FAI. As such, it should begin
to teach some of the simpler loop<br>
roll combinations.<br>
The primary purpose of this class is to develop and demonstrate a
pilot’s proficiency and skills to:<br>
• Fly straight wind corrected vertical lines with centered
maneuvers<br>
• Fly with required geometry and accuracy of the maneuvers<br>
• Fly accurate angles in all maneuvers<br>
• Properly position maneuvers (centering and turnaround locations)<br>
• Perform standard Takeoff and Landing maneuvers<br>
• Perform combinations of difficult/complex precision maneuvers in
the box<br>
• Fly proper entry/exit lines for all maneuvers<br>
• Fly constant entry/exit radii for all maneuvers<br>
• Properly position all elements within a maneuver (centering in
lines)<br>
• Maintain constant aircraft track parallel to the runway in all
conditions<br>
• Perform the sequence gracefully with consistent flow and
precision</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/8/2017 1:12 PM, Verne Koester via
NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<div>First, go back and edit page 2 of the Sequence Development
Guideline to describe all changes made from the original
document to date. I think the buzzword for that is
transparency. </div>
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<div>The survey part is easy. Ask the members what type of
maneuvers they think should be at each level without putting a
spin or sales pitch into the question and then act accordingly.
You should also be asking questions about rules proposals the
NSRCA intends to submit to the AMA Contest Board. Lacking a
survey to back up the proposal, it doesn't carry any more or
less weight than any other submitted proposal. </div>
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<div>I've known you for a long time and consider you a friend. I
have no doubt your intentions are good. My decision to quit the
NSRCA happened before you became President. You just happened to
walk in as I was walking out. </div>
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<div>I'm hearing a lot of dissension out on the Contest trail.
Most of it centers around the schedules, past and proposed.
Masters looks like FAI, Advanced looks like Masters, and
Intermediate is basically just screwed in the process. </div>
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<div>FAI has turned into an elite, professional class that most
pattern pilots don't and won't have the time or skill to
participate in. Masters was not categorized as a "stepping
stone" to FAI when I was on the Sequence Committee, it was a
destination class. I suspect that's part of the invisible
adjustments I referenced on page 2 of the Sequence Development
Guide.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>If I were taking the survey, I'd tell you to take the
integrated rollers and no hesitation reverse rolls out of
Masters, and recognize that Advanced has more than enough on
their plate learning to do a slow and 4 point roll, snap and
spin in their schedule. Reclassifying a Figure M with Quarter
Rolls as a K4 when it's always been a K5 and then throwing that
in the mix for someone moving up from Intermediate is just
outrageous. It was also the final straw that sent me out the
door. </div>
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<div>Verne Koester<br>
<br>
<div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
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On Jul 8, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Joe Walker <<a href="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vellum2@bellsouth.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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I completely understand that perspective Verne. And I value
that input.
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<div class="">That said, part of the reason I decided to jump
into the fire was to help turn things around. I personally
reached out to folks in D2 before throwing my hat into the
ring and gained a lot of insight on some of the underlying
concerns and it was a big contributor to me offering to
change things. D2 has been doing a lot of work to help
improve the organization and it’s very much appreciated. D4
was not chastised by “the Board”. We did not leave a
conversation that was on the table with clear direction on
how to proceed and folks had different understandings. We
are working hard to ensure that doesn’t happen anymore by
being clear with language and ensure we have all the
information before making a decision on any topic. You’ll
see that topic of clear communication and gathering all the
information repeated over and over again, the sequence
proposals bringing it to light once again. You’ll notice
that a big part of changing the guide this time is focused
on clarification of language and terminology, rather than
changing the intent. </div>
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<div class="">Regarding the survey of members, what would
bring you back into the organization Verne? What are the
right questions do you feel need to be asked? I’ll never
have a problem asking for people’s thoughts. My sole (soul?
;-) ) request is to keep the feedback focused on information
and specifics. That’s the only way to run an organization,
right?</div>
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<div class="">Joe</div>
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<div class="">On Jul 8, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Verne Koester
<<a href="mailto:verne@mi.rr.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">verne@mi.rr.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Joe,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">If
it appears that I’m skeptical, you’re correct, I
am.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">You
very nearly lost the NSRCA D4 VP after he was
chastised for seeking input from the members he
represents before the schedules were officially
made public.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">A
few years ago, the NSRCA D2 resigned after his
input within the Board was routinely ignored
because he wasn’t part of the “inner circle”.
The NSRCA lost nearly everyone from D2 in the
process and they started their own organization
called the Northeast Pattern Association. Nobody
from the NSRCA even bothered to contact anyone
from D2 to find out why. In fairness to you, you
weren’t the President at that time.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">There’s
been much mention of the Sequence Development
Guidelines. Please look at Page 2 of that
document. Numerous changes were made to it
during the last administration which are
properly noted and dated. However, there’s zero
mention of what the changes actually were. So
basically. It’s change the Sequence Development
Guide it to whatever the Sequence Committee
decides to do and then point to the guide as
justification for what’s proposed. Pretty much
turns it into a useless document.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The
time for a survey of NSRCA members is long
overdue. Do that, ask the right questions, post
the results, and then the request is reasonable.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Verne
Koester<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>J [<a href="mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:vellum2@bellsouth.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday,
July 08, 2017 12:41 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Verne
Koester; General pattern discussion<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Vicente
Bortone<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Proposed masters sequence
thoughts<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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perspective is very much appreciated. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">As a point of clarification, there is
much listening going on. The perception that the
board is acting devoid of any input is
incorrect. The BoD's main responsibility is to
ensure compliance. There were some issues that
were out of compliance that have since been
corrected and the result of the direction was a
revised sequence that has now been posted for
member comment. We are in that process now and
it's our job to filter through those comments
and consolidate that information to give back to
the sequence committee for revisions. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">There has been much work in pulling
this current proposal together that has included
a lot of member input. And that process
continues now. Let's all give the process a
chance to work. Is that an unreasonable request?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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On Jul 8, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Verne Koester via
NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">You just made the case AGAINST
adopting the FAI P pattern for Masters. You
have all those Masters pilots at your contest
and most of contests in your District. If they
wanted to fly FAI, they already would be
flying it. The last time the NSRCA actually
surveyed its members, Masters pilots
overwhelmingly rejected Masters adopting the
FAI P pattern. They also agreed by a slim
majority to try a few simple integrated loop
roll maneuvers. That doesn't seem to matter
anymore either. As a member of the AMA Contest
Board, it's my job to LISTEN to what the
people in my AMA District are saying and then
vote on Rules Proposals. What I'm hearing
locally at contests is that members aren't
happy about the schedules, difficulty creep,
and the growing gaps between the classes. The
NSRCA needs to listen to what it's members are
saying, not just the few that sit on the
board. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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On Jul 8, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Vicente Bortone via
NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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Roman', serif;" class="">The reason to
adopt P Pattern is to make easier to
split groups between masters and fai in
local contest. It makes easier to flip
flop between both. This weekend we have
the Cedar Rapids contest. We have about
6-8 masters no FAI and one Advanced.
We got 4 or 5 in club and sportsmans.
Looks like we are going to have judging
problems or overloading the guys that
know how to judge. I know about the
Silver class but that is a good solution
when we have a lot of pilots in masters
and FAI. That is not the case in most
contest around D5 in the last few years.
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Bortone<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman', serif;" class="">On Fri,
Jul 7, 2017 at 10:47 PM Jon Lowe via
NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">This email to the list
is derived from one I sent Joe
Walker. I think it bears some
thought.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">We still don't have a
timeline for approval of new
sequences by the membership as
required by AMA rules. We also
don't know how long we have for
making comments to the proposed
sequences.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Given the comments so
far on Masters, there is still a
long way to go. I agree with
Tony F. If the intent is to
drive people from masters, this
is the sequence to do it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Some people have
compared the new Masters
sequence to what IMAC
does.Trying to compare pattern
to IMAC is apples and oranges.
IMAC doesn't have to center,
match radii, match line lengths,
fly in a box, maintain 150
meters or have an emphasis on
smoothness and gracefulness.
Heck, they don't even have to
land their own aircraft. Their
emphasis is on snaps, via the 1
point per 5 degree rule, if I
understand their rules. Witness
what happened when top IMAC
fliers came over to pattern for
a couple of years thinking they
would make the team. They left
with their tails between their
legs. So saying we should do
something because IMAC does is
not a valid argument. Different
skill set and emphasis.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I was ok with a simple
roller that was safe when it was
first proposed. There was a howl
when we did it that it would
open Pandora's box, and
unfortunately, it appears it
did. I don't believe anyone at
the time contemplated there
being more than one per
sequence. And with the
infatuation with knife edge
manuevers, we are making the
transition from advanced way too
difficult. We do NOTHING in the
lower classes that prepares them
for what they now face in
Masters. We had that right about
right two sequences ago, and now
we screwed it up. Now we are
even throwing in instantaneous
transition between roll
directions. So a new Masters
pilot faces two rollers, three
complex knife edge maneuvers,
and instant roll direction
changes. Why would anyone want
to move up? Heck, if I was still
in advanced, I wouldn't want to.
From what I've seen this year in
advanced flying, that pattern is
very difficult to fly well, but
it still doesn't have the
building blocks for the current
or proposed masters sequences.
Have we abandoned the building
block approach, and preparing
the Masters pattern accordingly?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I also don't understand
the tendency to completely
ignore the maneuvers in the
guide. They are there for a
reason. Seems to be a tendency
to incorporate FAI maneuvers and
ignore the building block
concept which the guide
maneuvers provide. I'd suggest
that the development guide
restrict the introduction of
new, non-guide maneuvers to no
more than two per sequence,
certainly not the majority of
maneuvers as in the proposed
sequence. There is zero reason
to make Masters just like FAI.
FAI already exists, go fly it if
you want.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Personally, I think the
instant roll direction changes
are ugly and hard to judge in
FAI. What's the point of putting
them in Masters?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I applaud the decision
to get rid of the Masters F
sequence. It was an answer to a
question no one asked.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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