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<p>A few observations on the proposed Masters. Apologies for any duplicates:</p>
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<p>Maneuver 3, 1/2 Loop with integrated half roll: Any time an integrated roll is used as part of a turnaround, you create problems with being able to see it well enough to objectively judge it. What's the point, just to have more integrated rolls? If so,
put them all in center maneuvers. In any case, the description is needs work. You can't just "pull through" a looping maneuver with an integrated roll. Maybe explain that it's a climbing maneuver.</p>
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<p>Maneuver 4, triangle loop: The way it's described with all the hesitates is misleading. There are no multiple roll elements in each leg, so there are no hesitation rolls, only partial rolls. The rolls are centered on each leg. </p>
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<p>Maneuver 6, six sided loop : Needs a better description to clarify that the hesitation rolls are each centered on their leg. Putting 2 of 4 hesitation rolls on legs 2 & 4 make this fairly large. May want to consider 1/2 rolls instead.</p>
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<p>Maneuver 8, knife edge: Need to clearly define what constitutes the knife edge portion. How long is it? Is it defined in seconds?</p>
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<p>Maneuver 10, Vertical Cuban 8: It's going to be a large maneuver, not that a big a deal except they seem to really add up in this sequence. Not very easy to judge well. </p>
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<p>Maneuver 11, Trombone: Another fairly large maneuver, eats up a log of the box. Combined with the following Golf Ball is going to be a very tight squeeze.</p>
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<p>Maneuver 12, Golf Ball: Eats up a lot of real estate...</p>
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<p>Maneuver 13, Top Hat (and beyond): To the point that Steve made about positioning, unless you're way out of sorts in the back of the box, you're usually going to opt towards heading out, because of another large maneuver that follows, the Figure Z. Think
about it. In general, the size of the figures in this sequence are likely to push you out into a larger footprint. Then this Top Hat will probably make that worse to accommodate the upcoming Figure Z. Then after the Figure Z, you're going to somehow to
a good job with a downwind two turn spin? This needs to be carefully re-thought. </p>
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<p>Overall, I think it's too big and needlessly introduces problems with managing the box that should be avoided. </p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 7, 2017 8:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Gayer; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] New Masters Sequence</font>
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<div>Both of the cross box maneuvers have no options to stay in line.
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<div>Every Square Vertical 8 in the current Guide has a K of 5. Why would this one be a 4? </div>
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<div>Downwind KE Golf Ball is still a poor choice and should have a K of 5. </div>
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<div>The KE flight with 1 1/4 rolls without some definition of the length of the KE will end up being two 1 1/4 rolls. Plus simple KE flight in the current Guide is a K4. Why should this be a K4 with the addition of two 1 1/4 rolls? Should be a 5.
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<div>Two rolls reversed in the Current Guide is a K4. The elimination of the pause makes this a more difficult maneuver yet it stays at K4? Should at least be a 5.</div>
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<div>I'm sorry, but in my opinion this needs a fresh piece of paper and start over. Start by making the composition of the Sequence Committee according to the Charter.</div>
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<div>Tony Frackowiak</div>
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<div>On Jul 7, 2017, at 4:35 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion wrote:</div>
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<colgroup><col width="26" style="width:20pt"><col width="568" style="width:426pt"><col width="27" style="width:20pt"><col span="2" width="73" style="width:55pt"><col width="535" style="width:401pt"><col width="65" style="width:49pt"><col width="183" style="width:137pt"></colgroup>
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<td class="xl67" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; width:20pt"> </td>
<td class="xl87" width="568" style="border-left:none; width:426pt">Maneuver</td>
<td class="xl84" width="27" style="border-left:none; width:20pt">KF</td>
<td class="xl84" width="73" style="border-left:none; width:55pt">Exit</td>
<td class="xl85" width="73" style="width:55pt"><br>
</td>
<td class="xl86" width="535" style="width:401pt">Change maneuver to:</td>
<td class="xl86" width="65" style="width:49pt">New K</td>
<td class="xl86" width="183" style="width:137pt">new exit</td>
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<tr height="33" style="height:24.95pt">
<td class="xl71" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; width:20pt">1</td>
<td class="xl72" width="568" style="border-left:none; width:426pt">Takeoff</td>
<td class="xl73" width="27" style="border-left:none; width:20pt">1</td>
<td class="xl74" width="73" style="border-left:none; width:55pt"> </td>
<td class="xl74" width="73" style="border-left:none; width:55pt"> </td>
<td class="xl74" width="535" style="border-left:none; width:401pt"> </td>
<td class="xl74" width="65" style="border-left:none; width:49pt">1</td>
<td class="xl75" width="183" style="border-left:none; width:137pt"> </td>
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<tr height="33" style="height:24.95pt">
<td class="xl76" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
2</td>
<td class="xl65" width="568" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:426pt">
Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight inside loop then outside loop</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
5</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
U</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none">Triangle Loop from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap on top leg,</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
5</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
inverted</td>
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<td class="xl76" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
3</td>
<td class="xl69" width="568" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:426pt">
1/2 Loop with Integrated 1/2 Roll</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
3</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
TA</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
2 1/2 turn inverted spin</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
3</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
inverted</td>
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<td class="xl76" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
4</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none">Triangle Loop from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap on top leg</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
5</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
inverted</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
D</td>
<td class="xl65" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight outside loop then inside loop</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
5</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
upright</td>
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<td class="xl78" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none">5</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none"><span style=""> </span>1/2 Square Loop with Snap Roll in down track</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
TA</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up, 3/4 Roll down</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
2</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
inverted</td>
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<td class="xl78" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none">6</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none"><span style=""> </span>Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2, two 1/4 Rolls opposite in leg 4</td>
<td class="xl70" style="border-top:none; border-left:none">4</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
inverted</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
U</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2 and 4</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
inverted</td>
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<td class="xl76" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
7</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none">Humpty Bump with Roll Options, 2 of 2 Roll up, Full Roll down; or 3/4 Roll up and down</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
3</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
TA</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none">Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls down</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
2</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
upright</td>
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<td class="xl76" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
8</td>
<td class="xl65" width="568" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:426pt">
Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
inverted</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
D</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
upright</td>
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<td class="xl78" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none">9</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none">Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls opposite up, 1/2 Roll down</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
3</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
TA</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none">Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls<span style="">
</span>up, 1/2 Roll down</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
3</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
upright</td>
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<td class="xl76" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
10</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none">Vertical Cuban 8 with 1/2 Roll, Full Roll</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Inverted</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
U</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
Vertical square 8 from bottom,<span style=""> </span>full roll at mid-level, 1/2 roll 2nd mid-level</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
inverted</td>
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<td class="xl78" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none">11</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none">Trombone with Roll</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
2</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
TA</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
reverse shark, snap on 45</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
upright</td>
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<td class="xl78" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none">12</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none"><span style=""> </span>Golf Ball with 3/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
D</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
Golf Ball with 1/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
inverted</td>
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<tr height="33" style="height:24.95pt">
<td class="xl79" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
13</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none"><span style=""> </span>Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up, 3/4 Roll down</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
2</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
TA</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
Humpty Bump push top, 3/4 Roll up and down</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
2</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
upright</td>
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<td class="xl78" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none">14</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none"><span style=""> </span>Figure Z with 4 of 8 Roll in 45</td>
<td class="xl70" style="border-top:none; border-left:none">4</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Inverted</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
U</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
</td>
</tr>
<tr height="33" style="height:24.95pt">
<td class="xl79" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
15</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none"><span style=""> </span>Inverted 2-turn Spin<span style=""> </span></td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
2</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
TA</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
1/2 square loop with full roll</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
2</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
upright</td>
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<tr height="33" style="height:24.95pt">
<td class="xl76" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
16</td>
<td class="xl65" width="568" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:426pt">
Two Slow Rolls opposite, no hesitation</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
D</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
4</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
</td>
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<td class="xl78" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none">17</td>
<td style="border-top:none; border-left:none"><span style=""> </span>Stall turn with half rolls up and down</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
2</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
TA</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
2</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
</td>
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<tr height="33" style="height:24.95pt">
<td class="xl76" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
18</td>
<td class="xl65" width="568" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:426pt">
Loop with Integrated Roll in top 180</td>
<td class="xl70" style="border-top:none; border-left:none">5</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
Upright</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
U</td>
<td class="xl88" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
5</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
</td>
</tr>
<tr height="33" style="height:24.95pt">
<td class="xl76" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
19</td>
<td class="xl65" width="568" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:426pt">
Landing</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
1</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
</td>
<td class="xl68" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
1</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
</td>
</tr>
<tr height="33" style="height:24.95pt">
<td class="xl76" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
</td>
<td class="xl65" width="568" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:426pt">
</td>
<td class="xl66" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
</td>
<td class="xl66" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
</td>
<td class="xl68" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
</td>
<td class="xl68" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
</td>
<td class="xl68" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
</td>
<td class="xl77" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
</td>
</tr>
<tr height="33" style="height:24.95pt">
<td class="xl80" width="26" height="33" style="height:24.95pt; border-top:none; width:20pt">
</td>
<td class="xl81" width="568" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:426pt">
Total K-factor</td>
<td class="xl81" width="27" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:20pt">
62</td>
<td class="xl81" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
</td>
<td class="xl82" width="73" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:55pt">
</td>
<td class="xl82" width="535" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:401pt">
</td>
<td class="xl82" width="65" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:49pt">
61</td>
<td class="xl83" width="183" style="border-top:none; border-left:none; width:137pt">
</td>
</tr>
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