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<p>The new Advanced when it was published a couple of weeks ago, showed a reverse avalanche, and the newest posted on the web site is just a avalanche, so which is it reverse or just regular.<br>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature"><span>The make up and compliance of the committee has been corrected. The Charter outlined a committee make up that Should be 6 plus the chair and Shall contain a BoD member. Mark Barnett (BoD member) and Don Ramsey (Judges perspective)
have both been added to the committee. The submittal was indeed 1 month late. Part of the requirements of the BOD to the committee was to provide a schedule to finish the process as close to the original schedule as possible. They have also done that. </span></div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature"><span>My suggestion is that folks go out and try flying through it a few times and let that experience inform the comments even more. </span></div>
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On Jul 7, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I agree with Joe L and it is something I recommended earlier to Joe W. Since the Committee was not formed correctly regarding it's composition everything they have done should be suspect. And it seems they have had very little regard for the Guide, at
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">My opinion is start fresh with people who have had experience designing sequences for the Masters Sequence. Intermediate and Advanced I can barely tolerate. If there is no drastic change to follow the guide
and use at least 80% of the maneuvers from the existing guide catalog for Masters, this pattern flyer is moving onto sailplanes. There should be no more than a few new maneuvers introduced to the existing catalog of maneuvers. As it stands, no matter what
you do to the proposed sequence it is way more difficult than what we do now, is a battery destroyer, just plain sucks, will crash a few planes and is going to be intimidating to the guy who moves up from Advanced.</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">By the way when integrated rollers were introduced by those at the helm, they said we will only us a simple loop with an integrated roller across the top. Obviously that didn't happen.<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375265"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375362"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375570" size="5">Hey guys! Be sure to go to the main site now to take a look at the proposed sequences for Intermediate,
Advanced and Masters. Remember that we are in the commenting stage and all feedback is welcome. My only request is that you be specific in your thoughts so the feedback can be productive in making the sequences the best they can be. I really like them personally
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On Jun 21, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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One suggestion I have is to reinstitute the physical board meeting at the Nats or perhaps a meeting with beer and whatever. It's a great opportunity to meet your fellow board members and discuss the future of pattern. Just keep it informal and fun. The idea
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That is how you keep a finger on the pulse of the membership (or at least the vocal parts of it). Not the only way, of course.<br clear="none">
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process was key in getting the rules changed to where the NSRCA had control of the patterns, not the AMA R/C Aerobatics Contest Board. Are we supposed to just forget all that because the ball was dropped this cycle? I think the better option since we can no
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I don't understand your idea of forming another committee. Don't we already have a Sequence Committee and a Rules Committee? Seems like they are there to do what you are talking about. Of course it also seems like not much was done about submitting rules proposals
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> I find it interesting that when we discuss using sequences developed and used internationally there is substantial resistance and a lot of not invented here, loss of control, etc. We can certainly overcome the loss of control by keeping a modification capability
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> I don't understand either position. We should take advantage of work done around the world but not be bound to it. If we can build a better mousetrap for less money, that's great. If we can't, then take advantage of published and available work wherever it
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> At the end of the year, the committee would publish recommendations for how to generate sequences for all classes. A recommendation I could make right now is that the board ensures the committee adheres to the guidelines and charter. The committee could make
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