<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Sure. I'll get Derek to post it. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks for the reminder. <br><br>Joe</div><div><br>On Jul 8, 2017, at 10:27 AM, John Gayer <<a href="mailto:west.engineering@comcast.net">west.engineering@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div>
  
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    Joe,<br>
    The Sequence committee Chairman and members used to be posted on the
    website but I can't find it now.<br>
    Would it be possible to list the full committee somewhere? <br>
    Thanks<br>
    John<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/8/2017 7:00 AM, J via
      NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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            rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Good morning all,</span></div>
        <div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color:
            rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The make up and compliance of the
            committee has been corrected. The Charter outlined a
            committee make up that Should be 6 plus the chair and Shall
            contain a BoD member. Mark Barnett (BoD member) and Don
            Ramsey (Judges perspective) have both been added to the
            committee. The submittal was indeed 1 month late. Part of
            the requirements of the BOD to the committee was to provide
            a schedule to finish the process as close to the original
            schedule as possible. They have also done that. </span></div>
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        <div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color:
            rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The board's role is to ensure
            compliance with the guidelines and the charter. The
            commenting phase is for the membership to give specific
            feedback (which many have!) and for that feedback to
            influence the sequence committee (which it is). </span></div>
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        <div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color:
            rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">My suggestion is that folks go out
            and try flying through it a few times and let that
            experience inform the comments even more. </span></div>
        <br>
        Joe Walker,</div>
      <div id="AppleMailSignature">NSRCA president </div>
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        On Jul 7, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Frackowiak Tony via
        NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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      <div><base href="x-msg://1057/">I agree with Joe L and it is
        something I recommended earlier to Joe W. Since the Committee
        was not formed correctly regarding it's composition everything
        they have done should be suspect. And it seems they have had
        very little regard for the Guide, at least in developing a
        Masters proposal.
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        <div>Tony Frackowiak</div>
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            <div>On Jul 7, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Joe Lachowski via
              NSRCA-discussion wrote:</div>
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                    <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">My
                      opinion is start fresh with people who have had
                      experience designing sequences for the Masters
                      Sequence. Intermediate and Advanced I can
                      barely tolerate. If there is no drastic change to
                      follow the guide and use at least 80% of the
                      maneuvers from the existing guide catalog for
                      Masters, this pattern flyer is moving onto
                      sailplanes. There should be no more than a few new
                      maneuvers introduced to the existing catalog of
                      maneuvers. As it stands, no matter what you do to
                      the proposed sequence it is way more difficult
                      than what we do now, is a battery destroyer, just
                      plain sucks, will crash a few planes and is going
                      to be intimidating to the guy who moves up from
                      Advanced.</div>
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                    <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">By
                      the way when integrated rollers were introduced by
                      those at the helm, they said we will only us a
                      simple loop with an integrated roller across the
                      top. Obviously that didn't happen.<br>
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                      <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size: 11pt; " color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion
                          <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
                          on behalf of Joe Walker via NSRCA-discussion
                          <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
                          <b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                          July 7, 2017 8:30 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Whodaddy
                          Whodaddy; Don Ramsey; General pattern
                          discussion; General pattern discussion<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                          [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / New
                          Sequences - My thoughts - Long</font>
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                          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375265"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375362"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375570" size="5">Hey guys!  Be sure to go to the
                                main site now to take a look at the
                                proposed sequences for Intermediate,
                                Advanced and Masters.  Remember that we
                                are in the commenting stage and all
                                feedback is welcome.  My only request is
                                that you be specific in your thoughts so
                                the feedback can be productive in making
                                the sequences the best they can be.  I
                                really like them personally and look
                                forward to diving in and practicing up!</font></span></div>
                          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375265"><span><font size="5"><br>
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                          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375265"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375458"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375586" size="5">Best regards,</font></span></div>
                          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375265"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375457"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375585" size="5">Joe Walker</font></span></div>
                          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375265"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375456"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375572" size="5">NSRCA President</font></span></div>
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                                <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">On Wednesday, June 21,
                                    2017 10:02 AM, Whodaddy Whodaddy via
                                    NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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                                      <div>Administrator </div>
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                                      <div>Please remove this email from
                                        the discussion list </div>
                                      <div><a href="mailto:Whodaddy10@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" moz-do-not-send="true">Whodaddy10@gmail.com</a></div>
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                                      <div>Thx</div>
                                      <div>Gary Courtney</div>
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                                          On Jun 21, 2017, at 8:50 AM,
                                          Don Ramsey via
                                          NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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                                          <div class="yiv2783069395MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">John,</span></div>
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                                          <div class="yiv2783069395MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">NSRCA
                                              had a meeting at the end
                                              of the pilots meeting at
                                              last year’s NATS and all
                                              pilots that were paying
                                              attention knew about it. 
                                              About 5 of the contestants
                                              stayed for that meeting. </span></div>
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                                          <div class="yiv2783069395MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Don</span></div>
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                                                  [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John
                                                  Gayer via
                                                  NSRCA-discussion<br clear="none">
                                                  <b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                                                  June 20, 2017 5:35 PM<br clear="none">
                                                  <b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Joe
                                                  Walker; Scott McHarg;
                                                  NSRCA Mailing List<br clear="none">
                                                  <b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                                  [NSRCA-discussion]
                                                  NSRCA Leadership / New
                                                  Sequences - My
                                                  thoughts - Long</span></div>
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                                            ">Joe,<br clear="none">
                                            Thanks for the reply.<br clear="none">
                                            One suggestion I have is to
                                            reinstitute the physical
                                            board meeting at the Nats or
                                            perhaps a meeting with beer
                                            and whatever. It's a great
                                            opportunity to meet your
                                            fellow board members and
                                            discuss the future of
                                            pattern. Just keep it
                                            informal and fun. The idea
                                            is more to form connections
                                            then to discuss normal board
                                            business.<br clear="none">
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                                            Concerning the list, set up
                                            a local folder for the list
                                            and use a filter to dump
                                            into it. Then you have no
                                            additional inbox clutter and
                                            its easy to tell when there
                                            is a hot topic.<br clear="none">
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                                            John</div>
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                                            <div class="yiv2783069395MsoNormal">On
                                              6/20/2017 2:43 PM, Joe
                                              Walker wrote:</div>
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                                                    afternoon John,</span><span style="font-size:
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                                                    not certain that the
                                                    entirety of the
                                                    board subscribes to
                                                    the list, but I'm
                                                    here now and it is a
                                                    voluntary discussion
                                                    list.  It's also not
                                                    the only way to
                                                    communicate, so if
                                                    there is a hot topic
                                                    you would like to
                                                    see immediate action
                                                    on, please send an
                                                    email to the person
                                                    you are desiring to
                                                    connect with.  Or
                                                    better yet, a phone
                                                    call.  I can tell
                                                    you now from
                                                    experience that it
                                                    sure does fill up
                                                    your inbox in a
                                                    hurry!  My
                                                    preference would be
                                                    to change to a
                                                    platform that is a
                                                    bit more in line
                                                    with the rest of the
                                                    world, but I'm
                                                    certain that will
                                                    stir up another
                                                    thread, thus
                                                    contributing more to
                                                    the inbox influx, so
                                                    I'll save that for
                                                    another time ;-). I
                                                    can also say
                                                    definitively that
                                                    engaging every post
                                                    is an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>enormous</i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>time commitment.  People like to
                                                    type!</span><span style="font-size:
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                                                    think there have
                                                    been many great
                                                    suggestions on a
                                                    variety of topics.
                                                     I'm certainly on
                                                    board with several
                                                    great ideas and have
                                                    been, and will
                                                    continue to be an
                                                    advocate for
                                                    reasonable
                                                    discussion with
                                                    suggestions to make
                                                    what we do more fun
                                                    for everyone.</span><span style="font-size:
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                                                    Walker</span><span style="font-size:
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                                                          Tuesday, June
                                                          20, 2017 4:09
                                                          PM, John Gayer
                                                          via
                                                          NSRCA-discussion<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" moz-do-not-send="true"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</span><span></span></div>
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                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          I can only ask
                                                          why the board
                                                          is not
                                                          subscribed to
                                                          this list?<br clear="none">
                                                          That is how
                                                          you keep a
                                                          finger on the
                                                          pulse of the
                                                          membership (or
                                                          at least the
                                                          vocal parts of
                                                          it). Not the
                                                          only way, of
                                                          course.<br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          There is no
                                                          requirement to
                                                          respond or
                                                          take action on
                                                          anything the
                                                          board or
                                                          committee
                                                          members read
                                                          here but the
                                                          threads exist
                                                          to be pursued
                                                          and ideas
                                                          presented that
                                                          may strike a
                                                          chord.<br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          Not everything
                                                          here has been
                                                          negative. Many
                                                          positive
                                                          suggestions
                                                          have been
                                                          made.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          I'm sure the
                                                          board could
                                                          issue a waiver
                                                          to the two
                                                          year rule for
                                                          Masters if
                                                          they want to. 
                                                          Or just change
                                                          one maneuver,
                                                          or two. I have
                                                          candidates
                                                          :=)  Probably
                                                          need to do
                                                          that for
                                                          Sportsman as
                                                          well.<br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          John</span></div>
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                                                          6/20/2017 7:51
                                                          AM, Scott
                                                          McHarg wrote:</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:
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                                                          I would like
                                                          to rephrase my
                                                          last
                                                          sentence.  I'd
                                                          like to blame
                                                          auto-correct
                                                          but, I don't
                                                          think that'll
                                                          work in this
                                                          case.  Sorry
                                                          people.</span></div>
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                                                          <div class="yiv2783069395MsoNormal" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial;
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                                                          great comments
                                                          all around but
                                                          if it's not
                                                          being
                                                          recognized or
                                                          seen by those
                                                          that can
                                                          change it,
                                                          what's the
                                                          point?"</span></div>
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                                                          / CANVASS
                                                          U.A.S.
                                                          Research Pilot</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          A&M
                                                          University</span></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          - ASEL</span></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          Pilot
                                                          Certified
                                                          Under FAA Part
                                                          107</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          Tue, Jun 20,
                                                          2017 at 7:54
                                                          AM, Scott
                                                          McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" moz-do-not-send="true">scmcharg@gmailcom</a>>
                                                          wrote:</span></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div class="yiv2783069395MsoNormal" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial;
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                                                          one thing for
                                                          us to debate a
                                                          proposed
                                                          sequence that
                                                          hasn't even
                                                          been approved
                                                          by the board
                                                          for public
                                                          comment that
                                                          got out by
                                                          accident and
                                                          quite another
                                                          thing to break
                                                          the AMA Rules
                                                          stipulating
                                                          that we do
                                                          change Masters
                                                          at least once
                                                          every 2
                                                          years.  I'm
                                                          all in favor
                                                          of this
                                                          discussion but
                                                          wouldn't it
                                                          make sense
                                                          that we make
                                                          sure our board
                                                          was picking up
                                                          what we're
                                                          putting down? 
                                                          Truly, great
                                                          comments all
                                                          around but if
                                                          it's being
                                                          ignored by
                                                          those that can
                                                          change it,
                                                          what's the
                                                          point?</span></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          / CANVASS
                                                          U.A.S.
                                                          Research Pilot</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          A&M
                                                          University</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          - ASEL</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          Pilot
                                                          Certified
                                                          Under FAA Part
                                                          107</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          Tue, Jun 20,
                                                          2017 at 12:35
                                                          AM, Frackowiak
                                                          Tony via
                                                          NSRCA-discussion
                                                          <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.
                                                          org</a>>
                                                          wrote:</span></div>
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                                                          Sequence
                                                          Committee and
                                                          the entire
                                                          Sequence
                                                          Development
                                                          Guide was
                                                          established
                                                          for the NSRCA
                                                          to create the
                                                          schedules used
                                                          in the AMA
                                                          Pattern event.
                                                          I believe the
                                                          establishment
                                                          of that
                                                          process was
                                                          key in getting
                                                          the rules
                                                          changed to
                                                          where the
                                                          NSRCA had
                                                          control of the
                                                          patterns, not
                                                          the AMA R/C
                                                          Aerobatics
                                                          Contest Board.
                                                          Are we
                                                          supposed to
                                                          just forget
                                                          all that
                                                          because the
                                                          ball was
                                                          dropped this
                                                          cycle? I think
                                                          the better
                                                          option since
                                                          we can no
                                                          longer follow
                                                          the
                                                          established
                                                          schedule is to
                                                          not change the
                                                          patterns for
                                                          this cycle.
                                                          What's the
                                                          worst that
                                                          could happen?
                                                          Everyone gets
                                                          better at
                                                          flying them
                                                          and newcomers
                                                          to a class get
                                                          a break?<br clear="none">
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                                                          I don't
                                                          understand
                                                          your idea of
                                                          forming
                                                          another
                                                          committee.
                                                          Don't we
                                                          already have a
                                                          Sequence
                                                          Committee and
                                                          a Rules
                                                          Committee?
                                                          Seems like
                                                          they are there
                                                          to do what you
                                                          are talking
                                                          about. Of
                                                          course it also
                                                          seems like not
                                                          much was done
                                                          about
                                                          submitting
                                                          rules
                                                          proposals from
                                                          the NSRCA this
                                                          cycle. But
                                                          maybe I am not
                                                          aware of why
                                                          that happened.<br clear="none">
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                                                          All in favor
                                                          of eliminating
                                                          the weight
                                                          rule and
                                                          allowing 12S.
                                                          But that
                                                          really is
                                                          another story.<br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          Tony
                                                          Frackowiak</span></div>
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                                                          On Jun 19,
                                                          2017, at 9:31
                                                          PM, John Gayer
                                                          via
                                                          NSRCA-discussion
                                                          wrote:<br clear="none">
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                                                          > I find it
                                                          interesting
                                                          that when we
                                                          discuss using
                                                          sequences
                                                          developed and
                                                          used
                                                          internationally
                                                          there is
                                                          substantial
                                                          resistance and
                                                          a lot of not
                                                          invented here,
                                                          loss of
                                                          control, etc.
                                                          We can
                                                          certainly
                                                          overcome the
                                                          loss of
                                                          control by
                                                          keeping a
                                                          modification
                                                          capability
                                                          when we
                                                          encounter
                                                          something
                                                          undesirable in
                                                          a  sequence we
                                                          want to use
                                                          Not invented
                                                          here can save
                                                          us a lot of
                                                          work,<br clear="none">
                                                          ><br clear="none">
                                                          > On the
                                                          other hand,
                                                          when we
                                                          talking about
                                                          rewriting
                                                          rules for
                                                          using 12S
                                                          batteries or
                                                          eliminating/reducing
                                                          weight
                                                          restrictions
                                                          for AMA
                                                          classes, there
                                                          is a hue and
                                                          cry that we
                                                          have to stay
                                                          in lockstep
                                                          with FAI or
                                                          the sky will
                                                          fall.<br clear="none">
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                                                          > I don't
                                                          understand
                                                          either
                                                          position. We
                                                          should take
                                                          advantage of
                                                          work done
                                                          around the
                                                          world but not
                                                          be bound to
                                                          it. If we can
                                                          build a better
                                                          mousetrap for
                                                          less money,
                                                          that's great.
                                                          If we can't,
                                                          then take
                                                          advantage of
                                                          published and
                                                          available work
                                                          wherever it
                                                          comes from.
                                                          P19 is not
                                                          terribly
                                                          exciting but
                                                          it is easier
                                                          than either
                                                          the current or
                                                          the new
                                                          Masters
                                                          sequence.<br clear="none">
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                                                          > Keeping
                                                          that in mind,
                                                          I suggest we
                                                          accept P19 as
                                                          the Masters
                                                          schedule for
                                                          next year only
                                                          on a trial
                                                          basis.<br clear="none">
                                                          > In the
                                                          meantime, a
                                                          committee
                                                          should be
                                                          formed to
                                                          formulate a
                                                          plan for
                                                          future
                                                          sequences. 
                                                          The three
                                                          sequence
                                                          rotation makes
                                                          a lot of sense
                                                          to me for
                                                          Sportsman and
                                                          Intermediate.
                                                          Advanced could
                                                          go that way
                                                          too but
                                                          probably
                                                          should adapt
                                                          to whatever
                                                          longterm plan
                                                          is adopted for
                                                          Masters. I
                                                          would suggest
                                                          having forms
                                                          available at
                                                          contest to
                                                          survey
                                                          contestants
                                                          throughout the
                                                          year about
                                                          their
                                                          sequences.<br clear="none">
                                                          > At the
                                                          end of the
                                                          year, the
                                                          committee
                                                          would publish
recommendations for how to generate sequences for all classes. A
                                                          recommendation
                                                          I could make
                                                          right now is
                                                          that the board
                                                          ensures the
                                                          committee
                                                          adheres to the
                                                          guidelines and
                                                          charter. The
                                                          committee
                                                          could make
                                                          changes to the
                                                          documents but
                                                          would need
                                                          board approval
                                                          for those
                                                          changes prior
                                                          to
                                                          implementation
                                                          or ask for a
                                                          waiver.<br clear="none">
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                                                          > John</span></div>
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