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    Taking into account some of the comments and adding a few thoughts
    of my own, I came up with the following changes, shown to the right
    of the original.<br>
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      <colgroup><col style="width:20pt" width="26"> <col
          style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:20772;width:426pt"
          width="568"> <col
          style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:987;width:20pt"
          width="27"> <col
          style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:2669;
          width:55pt" span="2" width="73"> <col
          style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:11264;width:231pt"
          width="308"> <col
          style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:2377;width:49pt"
          width="65"> <col
          style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:6692;width:137pt"
          width="183"> </colgroup><tbody>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl67" style="height:24.95pt;width:20pt" width="26"
            height="33"> </td>
          <td class="xl87" style="border-left:none;width:426pt"
            width="568">Maneuver</td>
          <td class="xl84" style="border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">KF</td>
          <td class="xl84" style="border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Exit</td>
          <td class="xl85" style="width:55pt" width="73"><br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl86" style="width:231pt" width="308">Change
            maneuver to:</td>
          <td class="xl86" style="width:49pt" width="65">New K</td>
          <td class="xl86" style="width:137pt" width="183">new exit</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl71" style="height:24.95pt;width:20pt" width="26"
            height="33">1</td>
          <td class="xl72" style="border-left:none;width:426pt"
            width="568">Takeoff</td>
          <td class="xl73" style="border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">1</td>
          <td class="xl74" style="border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73"> </td>
          <td class="xl74" style="border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73"> </td>
          <td class="xl74" style="border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl74" style="border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl75" style="border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">2</td>
          <td class="xl65"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt"
            width="568">Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight inside
            1/2 loop then outside1/2loop</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">5</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">U</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">3</td>
          <td class="xl69"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt"
            width="568">1/2 Loop with Integrated 1/2 Roll<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">3</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">TA</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308">1/2 loop, 1/2 roll in, 1/2 rolls opposite exit</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65">3</td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183">upright</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">4</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Triangle Loop
            from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap on top leg<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">5</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">inverted</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">D</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none"
            height="33">5</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>1/2 Square Loop with Snap
            Roll in down track<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">4</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">TA</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308">2 1/2 turn inverted spin</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65">2</td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183">inverted</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none"
            height="33">6</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4
            Rolls in leg 2, two 1/4 Rolls opposite in leg 4</td>
          <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">4</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">inverted</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">U</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308">Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2 and 4</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65">4</td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183">inverted</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">7</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Humpty Bump with
            Roll Options, 2 of 2 Roll up, Full Roll down; or 3/4 Roll up
            and down<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">3</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">TA</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308">Humpty Bump with Roll Options, 1/2 Roll up and
            down; or 1/4 Roll up and down</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65">2</td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183">upright</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">8</td>
          <td class="xl65"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt"
            width="568">Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out, -
            rolls same direction</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">4</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">inverted</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">D</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none"
            height="33">9</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Stall Turn with
            two 1/4 Rolls opposite up, 1/2 Roll down<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">3</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">TA</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Stall Turn with
            two 1/4 Rolls down</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65">2</td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183">upright</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">10</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Vertical Cuban 8
            with 1/2 Roll, Full Roll<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">4</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Inverted</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">U</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none"
            height="33">11</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Trombone with
            Roll<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">2</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">TA</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308">reverse shark snap on 45,1/2 roll down</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65">4</td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183">inverted</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none"
            height="33">12</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Golf Ball with 3/4 Rolls
            and Knife Edge Loop<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">4</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">D</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308">Golf Ball with 1/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65">4</td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183">inverted</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl79" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">13</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up,
            3/4 Roll down<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">2</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">TA</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308">Guide should be changed to K3<span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none"
            height="33">14</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Figure Z with 4 of 8 Roll
            in 45<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">4</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Inverted</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">U</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl79" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">15</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Inverted 2-turn Spin (TA)</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">2</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">TA</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308">1/2 square loop with full roll</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65">2</td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183">upright</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">16</td>
          <td class="xl65"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt"
            width="568">Two Slow Rolls opposite, no hesitation</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">4</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">D</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl78" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none"
            height="33">17</td>
          <td style="border-top:none;border-left:none"><span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Stall turn with half
            rolls up and down<br>
          </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">2</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">TA</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">18</td>
          <td class="xl65"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt"
            width="568">Loop with Integrated Roll in top 180</td>
          <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">Upright</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73">U</td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33">19</td>
          <td class="xl65"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt"
            width="568">Landing</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">1</td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl76" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33"> </td>
          <td class="xl65"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt"
            width="568"> </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27"> </td>
          <td class="xl66"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl68"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65"> </td>
          <td class="xl77"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="mso-height-source:userset;height:24.95pt" height="33">
          <td class="xl80" style="height:24.95pt;border-top:none;
            width:20pt" width="26" height="33"> </td>
          <td class="xl81"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:426pt"
            width="568">Total K-factor</td>
          <td class="xl81"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:20pt"
            width="27">62</td>
          <td class="xl81"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73"> </td>
          <td class="xl82"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:55pt"
            width="73"> </td>
          <td class="xl82"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:231pt"
            width="308"> </td>
          <td class="xl82"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:49pt"
            width="65">60</td>
          <td class="xl83"
            style="border-top:none;border-left:none;width:137pt"
            width="183"> </td>
        </tr>
      </tbody>
    </table>
    <br>
    I tried to keep the flavor and intent of the original. Hopefully
    this is a bit easier, addresses the missing room for the slow roll,
    the lack of space before the golf ball and eases up a bit on the
    fiddly turnaround maneuvers.  I removed the 1/2 loop integrated 1/2
    roll. The maneuver is not difficult but making it LARGE is. Will try
    to fly this tomorrow. Also I believe the guide KFactor for the top
    hat is too low. Should be a three.<br>
    <br>
    John<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/7/2017 10:19 AM, Scott McHarg via
      NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CALDH1Ur8jiAWOvAq1K3=uu82v02eErqyMfVm=DrdvX3G0VLYMQ@mail.gmail.com">
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          style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">I have to
          agree with Tony on the Spin followed by the Slow Rolls.  The
          Slow Rolls will require room and with a blowing in crosswind
          or a decent headwind, this is going to be an issue. 
          Personally, I'm very pleased with the other class sequences.</div>
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                          style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"
                          size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br>
                      <div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div>
                      <div>Texas A&M University</div>
                      <div>PPL - ASEL</div>
                      <div>Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:01 AM,
          Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a
              href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">The Intermediate and
              Advanced patterns look OK, but I don't think Intermediate
              should be changed as it is only on it's 2nd year. 
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>The Masters pattern is much more difficult then the
                current. 14 of the 19 maneuvers have to be written in to
                the Guide. The assigned K-Factors are pulled out of thin
                air for many of the maneuvers. They are whatever they
                needed to be to stay under the K limit.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>
                <div>Look at this pattern as an Advanced flier entering
                  Masters. You now have two integrated rolling
                  maneuvers. The full roll over the top 1/2 of a loop is
                  much more difficult then the 1/2 roll over the top
                  1/4. Then the turnaround 1/2 loop with 1/2 roll will
                  be much more difficult as you start low and have to
                  end up quite high for the next maneuver. It will be a
                  lengthy, difficult maneuver.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>The two maneuvers with snaps are right after each
                  other. I would think you would want separation between
                  snap maneuvers. And they will both be inside snaps.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>The vertical cuban 8 will be huge demanding lots of
                  power. </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>There is no chance to correct your box positioning
                  after the spin. You have to go right in to the
                  opposite slow rolls which have to start early. And you
                  will be blown back in to the rolls from the spin.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>The trombone is a poor choice in between the
                  vertical cuban and the golf ball. There will be very
                  little distance in between the maneuvers. And it will
                  only be able to be flown one way. No real choice here.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>The golf ball will be much more difficult then the
                  current ke humpty. Since it is starting downwind with
                  the ke starting on a 45 degree line you will be at ke
                  for a very long time.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>The addition of instant roll reversal will make it
                  much more difficult for the incoming advanced flier.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>As far as I know, you guys did nothing to address
                  the improper make-up of the Sequence Committee. You
                  cannot expect a proper Masters pattern without
                  difficulty creep from a Committee made up of mostly
                  Masters pilots.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>This pattern will keep Advanced fliers from moving
                  up, which in most cases will have them quitting
                  pattern.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Since the make-up of the Sequence Committee does
                  not follow the charter, with very little
                  representation amongst the classes, this is a top
                  heavy schedule. From my own personal standpoint, make
                  Masters as hard as you want to. I have plenty of time
                  to practice. But it will be a smaller group of Masters
                  fliers.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Tony</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div>On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Joe Walker via
                    NSRCA-discussion wrote:</div>
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                              id="m_717610266155300671yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375570"
                              size="5">Hey guys!  Be sure to go to the
                              main site now to take a look at the
                              proposed sequences for Intermediate,
                              Advanced and Masters.  Remember that we
                              are in the commenting stage and all
                              feedback is welcome.  My only request is
                              that you be specific in your thoughts so
                              the feedback can be productive in making
                              the sequences the best they can be.  I
                              really like them personally and look
                              forward to diving in and practicing up!</font></span></div>
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                              size="5">Best regards,</font></span></div>
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                              size="5">Joe Walker</font></span></div>
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id="m_717610266155300671yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375456"><font
                              id="m_717610266155300671yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499256931725_375572"
                              size="5">NSRCA President</font></span></div>
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                                  On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:02 AM,
                                  Whodaddy Whodaddy via NSRCA-discussion
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                                    <div>Administrator </div>
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                                    <div>Please remove this email from
                                      the discussion list </div>
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                                    <div>Thx</div>
                                    <div>Gary Courtney</div>
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                                      <div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
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                                        On Jun 21, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Don
                                        Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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                                            style="font-size:11.0pt">NSRCA
                                            had a meeting at the end of
                                            the pilots meeting at last
                                            year’s NATS and all pilots
                                            that were paying attention
                                            knew about it.  About 5 of
                                            the contestants stayed for
                                            that meeting.  </span></div>
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                                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
                                                Gayer via
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                                                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,
                                                June 20, 2017 5:35 PM<br
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                                                Scott McHarg; NSRCA
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                                                <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA
                                                Leadership / New
                                                Sequences - My thoughts
                                                - Long</span></div>
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                                          Thanks for the reply.<br
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                                          One suggestion I have is to
                                          reinstitute the physical board
                                          meeting at the Nats or perhaps
                                          a meeting with beer and
                                          whatever. It's a great
                                          opportunity to meet your
                                          fellow board members and
                                          discuss the future of pattern.
                                          Just keep it informal and fun.
                                          The idea is more to form
                                          connections then to discuss
                                          normal board business.<br
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                                          Concerning the list, set up a
                                          local folder for the list and
                                          use a filter to dump into it.
                                          Then you have no additional
                                          inbox clutter and its easy to
                                          tell when there is a hot
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                                          John</div>
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                                            6/20/2017 2:43 PM, Joe
                                            Walker wrote:</div>
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                                                style="background:white"><span>Good
                                                  afternoon John,</span><span
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                                                style="background:white"><span>I'm
                                                  not certain that the
                                                  entirety of the board
                                                  subscribes to the
                                                  list, but I'm here now
                                                  and it is a voluntary
                                                  discussion list.  It's
                                                  also not the only way
                                                  to communicate, so if
                                                  there is a hot topic
                                                  you would like to see
                                                  immediate action on,
                                                  please send an email
                                                  to the person you are
                                                  desiring to connect
                                                  with.  Or better yet,
                                                  a phone call.  I can
                                                  tell you now from
                                                  experience that it
                                                  sure does fill up your
                                                  inbox in a hurry!  My
                                                  preference would be to
                                                  change to a platform
                                                  that is a bit more in
                                                  line with the rest of
                                                  the world, but I'm
                                                  certain that will stir
                                                  up another thread,
                                                  thus contributing more
                                                  to the inbox influx,
                                                  so I'll save that for
                                                  another time ;-). I
                                                  can also say
                                                  definitively that
                                                  engaging every post is
                                                  an <b><i>enormous</i></b>
                                                  time commitment. 
                                                  People like to type!</span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt"></span></div>
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                                                style="background:white"><span>I
                                                  think there have been
                                                  many great suggestions
                                                  on a variety of
                                                  topics.  I'm certainly
                                                  on board with several
                                                  great ideas and have
                                                  been, and will
                                                  continue to be an
                                                  advocate for
                                                  reasonable discussion
                                                  with suggestions to
                                                  make what we do more
                                                  fun for everyone.</span><span
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                                                style="background:white"><span>Best,</span><span
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                                              <div
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                                                style="background:white"><span>Joe
                                                  Walker</span><span
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style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">On Tuesday, June
                                                        20, 2017 4:09
                                                        PM, John Gayer
                                                        via
                                                        NSRCA-discussion
                                                        <a
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                                                        wrote:</span><span></span></div>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span>Scott,<br
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                                                          I can only ask
                                                          why the board
                                                          is not
                                                          subscribed to
                                                          this list?<br
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                                                          That is how
                                                          you keep a
                                                          finger on the
                                                          pulse of the
                                                          membership (or
                                                          at least the
                                                          vocal parts of
                                                          it). Not the
                                                          only way, of
                                                          course.<br
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                                                          <br
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                                                          There is no
                                                          requirement to
                                                          respond or
                                                          take action on
                                                          anything the
                                                          board or
                                                          committee
                                                          members read
                                                          here but the
                                                          threads exist
                                                          to be pursued
                                                          and ideas
                                                          presented that
                                                          may strike a
                                                          chord.<br
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                                                          Not everything
                                                          here has been
                                                          negative. Many
                                                          positive
                                                          suggestions
                                                          have been
                                                          made. <br
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                                                          <br
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                                                          I'm sure the
                                                          board could
                                                          issue a waiver
                                                          to the two
                                                          year rule for
                                                          Masters if
                                                          they want to. 
                                                          Or just change
                                                          one maneuver,
                                                          or two. I have
                                                          candidates.
                                                          :=)  Probably
                                                          need to do
                                                          that for
                                                          Sportsman as
                                                          well.<br
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                                                          <br
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                                                          John</span></div>
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style="background:white"><span>On 6/20/2017 7:51 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:</span></div>
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                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><span>Sorry, I would like to rephrase my last
                                                          sentence.  I'd
                                                          like to blame
                                                          auto-correct
                                                          but, I don't
                                                          think that'll
                                                          work in this
                                                          case.  Sorry
                                                          people.</span></div>
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                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><span>"Truly, great comments all around but if
                                                          it's not being
                                                          recognized or
                                                          seen by those
                                                          that can
                                                          change it,
                                                          what's the
                                                          point?"</span></div>
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                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Scott A.
                                                          McHarg</span></b><span></span></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><span>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><span>Texas A&M University</span></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><span>PPL - ASEL</span></div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><span>Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107</span></div>
                                                          </div>
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style="background:white"><span>  </span></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="m_717610266155300671yiv2783069395MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span>On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Scott
                                                          McHarg <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><span>It's one thing for us to debate a
                                                          proposed
                                                          sequence that
                                                          hasn't even
                                                          been approved
                                                          by the board
                                                          for public
                                                          comment that
                                                          got out by
                                                          accident and
                                                          quite another
                                                          thing to break
                                                          the AMA Rules
                                                          stipulating
                                                          that we do
                                                          change Masters
                                                          at least once
                                                          every 2
                                                          years.  I'm
                                                          all in favor
                                                          of this
                                                          discussion but
                                                          wouldn't it
                                                          make sense
                                                          that we make
                                                          sure our board
                                                          was picking up
                                                          what we're
                                                          putting down? 
                                                          Truly, great
                                                          comments all
                                                          around but if
                                                          it's being
                                                          ignored by
                                                          those that can
                                                          change it,
                                                          what's the
                                                          point?</span></div>
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                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Scott A.
                                                          McHarg</span></b><span></span></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><span>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="m_717610266155300671yiv2783069395MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span>Texas A&M University</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><span>PPL - ASEL</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
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style="background:white"><span>Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
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style="background:white"><span>  </span></div>
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                                                          <div
                                                          class="m_717610266155300671yiv2783069395MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span>On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:35 AM,
                                                          Frackowiak
                                                          Tony via
                                                          NSRCA-discussion
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                                                          wrote:</span></div>
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style="background:white"><span>The Sequence Committee and the entire
                                                          Sequence
                                                          Development
                                                          Guide was
                                                          established
                                                          for the NSRCA
                                                          to create the
                                                          schedules used
                                                          in the AMA
                                                          Pattern event.
                                                          I believe the
                                                          establishment
                                                          of that
                                                          process was
                                                          key in getting
                                                          the rules
                                                          changed to
                                                          where the
                                                          NSRCA had
                                                          control of the
                                                          patterns, not
                                                          the AMA R/C
                                                          Aerobatics
                                                          Contest Board.
                                                          Are we
                                                          supposed to
                                                          just forget
                                                          all that
                                                          because the
                                                          ball was
                                                          dropped this
                                                          cycle? I think
                                                          the better
                                                          option since
                                                          we can no
                                                          longer follow
                                                          the
                                                          established
                                                          schedule is to
                                                          not change the
                                                          patterns for
                                                          this cycle.
                                                          What's the
                                                          worst that
                                                          could happen?
                                                          Everyone gets
                                                          better at
                                                          flying them
                                                          and newcomers
                                                          to a class get
                                                          a break?<br
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                                                          I don't
                                                          understand
                                                          your idea of
                                                          forming
                                                          another
                                                          committee.
                                                          Don't we
                                                          already have a
                                                          Sequence
                                                          Committee and
                                                          a Rules
                                                          Committee?
                                                          Seems like
                                                          they are there
                                                          to do what you
                                                          are talking
                                                          about. Of
                                                          course it also
                                                          seems like not
                                                          much was done
                                                          about
                                                          submitting
                                                          rules
                                                          proposals from
                                                          the NSRCA this
                                                          cycle. But
                                                          maybe I am not
                                                          aware of why
                                                          that happened.<br
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                                                          <br
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                                                          All in favor
                                                          of eliminating
                                                          the weight
                                                          rule and
                                                          allowing 12S.
                                                          But that
                                                          really is
                                                          another story.<br
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                                                          <br
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                                                          Tony
                                                          Frackowiak</span></div>
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                                                          On Jun 19,
                                                          2017, at 9:31
                                                          PM, John Gayer
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                                                          > I find it
                                                          interesting
                                                          that when we
                                                          discuss using
                                                          sequences
                                                          developed and
                                                          used
                                                          internationally
                                                          there is
                                                          substantial
                                                          resistance and
                                                          a lot of not
                                                          invented here,
                                                          loss of
                                                          control, etc.
                                                          We can
                                                          certainly
                                                          overcome the
                                                          loss of
                                                          control by
                                                          keeping a
                                                          modification
                                                          capability
                                                          when we
                                                          encounter
                                                          something
                                                          undesirable in
                                                          a  sequence we
                                                          want to use.
                                                          Not invented
                                                          here can save
                                                          us a lot of
                                                          work,<br
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                                                          > On the
                                                          other hand,
                                                          when we
                                                          talking about
                                                          rewriting
                                                          rules for
                                                          using 12S
                                                          batteries or
                                                          eliminating/reducing
                                                          weight
                                                          restrictions
                                                          for AMA
                                                          classes, there
                                                          is a hue and
                                                          cry that we
                                                          have to stay
                                                          in lockstep
                                                          with FAI or
                                                          the sky will
                                                          fall.<br
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                                                          > I don't
                                                          understand
                                                          either
                                                          position. We
                                                          should take
                                                          advantage of
                                                          work done
                                                          around the
                                                          world but not
                                                          be bound to
                                                          it. If we can
                                                          build a better
                                                          mousetrap for
                                                          less money,
                                                          that's great.
                                                          If we can't,
                                                          then take
                                                          advantage of
                                                          published and
                                                          available work
                                                          wherever it
                                                          comes from.
                                                          P19 is not
                                                          terribly
                                                          exciting but
                                                          it is easier
                                                          than either
                                                          the current or
                                                          the new
                                                          Masters
                                                          sequence.<br
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                                                          > Keeping
                                                          that in mind,
                                                          I suggest we
                                                          accept P19 as
                                                          the Masters
                                                          schedule for
                                                          next year only
                                                          on a trial
                                                          basis.<br
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                                                          > In the
                                                          meantime, a
                                                          committee
                                                          should be
                                                          formed to
                                                          formulate a
                                                          plan for
                                                          future
                                                          sequences. 
                                                          The three
                                                          sequence
                                                          rotation makes
                                                          a lot of sense
                                                          to me for
                                                          Sportsman and
                                                          Intermediate.
                                                          Advanced could
                                                          go that way
                                                          too but
                                                          probably
                                                          should adapt
                                                          to whatever
                                                          longterm plan
                                                          is adopted for
                                                          Masters. I
                                                          would suggest
                                                          having forms
                                                          available at
                                                          contest to
                                                          survey
                                                          contestants
                                                          throughout the
                                                          year about
                                                          their
                                                          sequences.<br
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                                                          > At the
                                                          end of the
                                                          year, the
                                                          committee
                                                          would publish
recommendations for how to generate sequences for all classes. A
                                                          recommendation
                                                          I could make
                                                          right now is
                                                          that the board
                                                          ensures the
                                                          committee
                                                          adheres to the
                                                          guidelines and
                                                          charter. The
                                                          committee
                                                          could make
                                                          changes to the
                                                          documents but
                                                          would need
                                                          board approval
                                                          for those
                                                          changes prior
                                                          to
                                                          implementation
                                                          or ask for a
                                                          waiver.<br
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                                                          > John</span></div>
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