<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498052357107_3779"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498052357107_4091"><font size="5" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498052357107_4090">The mailbox list is heard loud and clear!  LOL - I'm setting that up ASAP.</font></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498052357107_3779"><span><font size="5"><br></font></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498052357107_3779"><font size="5" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498052357107_4097"><span>The physical meeting at Nats </span>happened last year, but it had been missing for a few years before that.  We lost about 70% of the pilots from the meeting as soon as it switched to the Board meeting.  And I thought it was a fun meeting!  Everyone else interpreted it as a "Bored" meeting though...  My intent is to ALWAYS have a public, in person meeting at the Nats.  As you said, just talking face to face makes things so much easier.</font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498052357107_3779"><font size="5"><br></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498052357107_3779"><font size="5" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498052357107_4095">Joe Walker</font></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 6:35 PM, John Gayer <jgghome@comcast.net> wrote:<br></font></div>  <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv0492385887"><div>
    Joe,<br clear="none">
    Thanks for the reply.<br clear="none">
    One suggestion I have is to reinstitute the physical board meeting
    at the Nats or perhaps a meeting with beer and whatever. It's a
    great opportunity to meet your fellow board members and discuss the
    future of pattern. Just keep it informal and fun. The idea is more
    to form connections then to discuss normal board business.<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    Concerning the list, set up a local folder for the list and use a
    filter to dump into it. Then you have no additional inbox clutter
    and its easy to tell when there is a hot topic.<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    John<br clear="none">
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    <div class="yiv0492385887yqt1658334801" id="yiv0492385887yqt25132"><div class="yiv0492385887moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2017 2:43 PM, Joe Walker wrote:<br clear="none">
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        <div id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264087"><span id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264466"><font id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264553" size="3">Good
              afternoon John,</font></span></div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264088"><font id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264557" size="3">I'm
              not certain that the entirety of the board subscribes to
              the list, but I'm here now and it is a voluntary
              discussion list.  It's also not the only way to
              communicate, so if there is a hot topic you would like to
              see immediate action on, please send an email to the
              person you are desiring to connect with.  Or better yet, a
              phone call.  I can tell you now from experience that it
              sure does fill up your inbox in a hurry!  My preference
              would be to change to a platform that is a bit more in
              line with the rest of the world, but I'm certain that will
              stir up another thread, thus contributing more to the
              inbox influx, so I'll save that for another time ;-). </font></span><span id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264835"><font id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264836" size="3">I can
              also say definitively that engaging every post is an <b><i>enormous</i></b>
              time </font></span><font id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264837" size="3">commitment.
             People like to type!</font></div>
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        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264800"><font id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264799" size="3">I
              think there have been many great suggestions on a variety
              of topics.  I'm certainly on board with several great
              ideas and have been, and will continue to be an advocate
              for reasonable discussion with suggestions to make what we
              do more fun for everyone.</font></span></div>
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        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264464"><font size="3">Best,</font></span></div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264463"><font id="yiv0492385887yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264555" size="3">Joe
              Walker</font></span></div>
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              <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Tuesday,
                  June 20, 2017 4:09 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion
                  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0492385887moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> wrote:<br clear="none">
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                  <div> Scott,<br clear="none">
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                    I can only ask why the board is not subscribed to
                    this list?<br clear="none">
                    That is how you keep a finger on the pulse of the
                    membership (or at least the vocal parts of it). Not
                    the only way, of course.<br clear="none">
                    <br clear="none">
                    There is no requirement to respond or take action on
                    anything the board or committee members read here
                    but the threads exist to be pursued and ideas
                    presented that may strike a chord.<br clear="none">
                    <br clear="none">
                    Not everything here has been negative. Many positive
                    suggestions have been made. <br clear="none">
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                    I'm sure the board could issue a waiver to the two
                    year rule for Masters if they want to.  Or just
                    change one maneuver, or two. I have candidates. :=) 
                    Probably need to do that for Sportsman as well.<br clear="none">
                    <br clear="none">
                    John<br clear="none">
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                      <div class="yiv0492385887moz-cite-prefix">On
                        6/20/2017 7:51 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:<br clear="none">
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                          <div class="yiv0492385887gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;">Sorry, I would like to
                            rephrase my last sentence.  I'd like to
                            blame auto-correct but, I don't think
                            that'll work in this case.  Sorry people.</div>
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                          <div class="yiv0492385887gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;">"Truly, great comments
                            all around but if it's not being recognized
                            or seen by those that can change it, what's
                            the point?"</div>
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                                      <div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255);"><font style="font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br clear="none">
                                        <div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S.
                                          Research Pilot</div>
                                        <div>Texas A&M University</div>
                                        <div>PPL - ASEL</div>
                                        <div>Remote Pilot Certified
                                          Under FAA Part 107</div>
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                          <div class="yiv0492385887gmail_quote">On Tue,
                            Jun 20, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Scott McHarg <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>></span>
                            wrote:<br clear="none">
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                              <div dir="ltr">
                                <div class="yiv0492385887gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;">It's one thing
                                  for us to debate a proposed sequence
                                  that hasn't even been approved by the
                                  board for public comment that got out
                                  by accident and quite another thing to
                                  break the AMA Rules stipulating that
                                  we do change Masters at least once
                                  every 2 years.  I'm all in favor of
                                  this discussion but wouldn't it make
                                  sense that we make sure our board was
                                  picking up what we're putting down? 
                                  Truly, great comments all around but
                                  if it's being ignored by those that
                                  can change it, what's the point?</div>
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                                            <div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255);"><font style="font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br clear="none">
                                              <div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S.
                                                Research Pilot</div>
                                              <div>Texas A&M
                                                University</div>
                                              <div>PPL - ASEL</div>
                                              <div>Remote Pilot
                                                Certified Under FAA Part
                                                107</div>
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                                    <div class="yiv0492385887gmail_quote">On
                                      Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:35 AM,
                                      Frackowiak Tony via
                                      NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.
                                          org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
                                      <blockquote class="yiv0492385887gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">The
                                        Sequence Committee and the
                                        entire Sequence Development
                                        Guide was established for the
                                        NSRCA to create the schedules
                                        used in the AMA Pattern event. I
                                        believe the establishment of
                                        that process was key in getting
                                        the rules changed to where the
                                        NSRCA had control of the
                                        patterns, not the AMA R/C
                                        Aerobatics Contest Board. Are we
                                        supposed to just forget all that
                                        because the ball was dropped
                                        this cycle? I think the better
                                        option since we can no longer
                                        follow the established schedule
                                        is to not change the patterns
                                        for this cycle. What's the worst
                                        that could happen? Everyone gets
                                        better at flying them and
                                        newcomers to a class get a
                                        break?<br clear="none">
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                                        I don't understand your idea of
                                        forming another committee. Don't
                                        we already have a Sequence
                                        Committee and a Rules Committee?
                                        Seems like they are there to do
                                        what you are talking about. Of
                                        course it also seems like not
                                        much was done about submitting
                                        rules proposals from the NSRCA
                                        this cycle. But maybe I am not
                                        aware of why that happened.<br clear="none">
                                        <br clear="none">
                                        All in favor of eliminating the
                                        weight rule and allowing 12S.
                                        But that really is another
                                        story.<br clear="none">
                                        <br clear="none">
                                        Tony Frackowiak<br clear="none">
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                                          <div class="yiv0492385887m_1189108883163141717h5"><br clear="none">
                                            On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:31 PM,
                                            John Gayer via
                                            NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br clear="none">
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                                            ><br clear="none">
                                            > I find it interesting
                                            that when we discuss using
                                            sequences developed and used
                                            internationally there is
                                            substantial resistance and a
                                            lot of not invented here,
                                            loss of control, etc. We can
                                            certainly overcome the loss
                                            of control by keeping a
                                            modification capability when
                                            we encounter something
                                            undesirable in a  sequence
                                            we want to use. Not invented
                                            here can save us a lot of
                                            work,<br clear="none">
                                            ><br clear="none">
                                            > On the other hand, when
                                            we talking about rewriting
                                            rules for using 12S
                                            batteries or
                                            eliminating/reducing weight
                                            restrictions for AMA
                                            classes, there is a hue and
                                            cry that we have to stay in
                                            lockstep with FAI or the sky
                                            will fall.<br clear="none">
                                            ><br clear="none">
                                            > I don't understand
                                            either position. We should
                                            take advantage of work done
                                            around the world but not be
                                            bound to it. If we can build
                                            a better mousetrap for less
                                            money, that's great. If we
                                            can't, then take advantage
                                            of published and available
                                            work wherever it comes from.
                                            P19 is not terribly exciting
                                            but it is easier than either
                                            the current or the new
                                            Masters sequence.<br clear="none">
                                            ><br clear="none">
                                            > Keeping that in mind, I
                                            suggest we accept P19 as the
                                            Masters schedule for next
                                            year only on a trial basis.<br clear="none">
                                            > In the meantime, a
                                            committee should be formed
                                            to formulate a plan for
                                            future sequences.  The three
                                            sequence rotation makes a
                                            lot of sense to me for
                                            Sportsman and Intermediate.
                                            Advanced could go that way
                                            too but probably should
                                            adapt to whatever longterm
                                            plan is adopted for Masters.
                                            I would suggest having forms
                                            available at contest to
                                            survey contestants
                                            throughout the year about
                                            their sequences.<br clear="none">
                                            > At the end of the year,
                                            the committee would publish
                                            recommendations for how to
                                            generate sequences for all
                                            classes. A recommendation I
                                            could make right now is that
                                            the board ensures the
                                            committee adheres to the
                                            guidelines and charter. The
                                            committee could make changes
                                            to the documents but would
                                            need board approval for
                                            those changes prior to
                                            implementation or ask for a
                                            waiver.<br clear="none">
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                                            > John<br clear="none">
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