<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #800080"><div aria-label="Compose body"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Amen, Bro!!!!!</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt; text-decoration-line: underline;">____________________</span></div><div><b><span style="text-decoration: underline;" data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 8pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 8pt;">Sent from my sortasmart Dell Inspiron 1700</span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 8pt;"><br> Processor <span class="shortspecspeczg5kb3yymzu4ynd3n3a146">5th Generation Intel® Core™ i3-5005U (3M Cache, 2.00 GHz)<br> </span>Operating System <span class="shortspecspeczg5kb3yymzu4ynd3n3a11">Windows 7 Professional English 64bit (Windows 8.1 Pro 64bit License)<br> </span><span class="shortspecspeczg5kb3yymzu4ynd3n3a3">4GB Single Channel DDR3L 1600MHz (4GBx1)<br> </span><span class="shortspecspeczg5kb3yymzu4ynd3n3a8">500GB 5400 rpm Hard Drive<br> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br> <!--[endif]--></span></span></b></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style="color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"tretas513--- via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>To: </b>"Joe Walker via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, June 20, 2017 5:08:24 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / New Sequences - My thoughts - Long<br><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 10pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt;"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;">Everyone wonders why participation is dropping in pattern...all you have to do is read these posts to get a good idea !!</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;">Flying model airplanes is supposed to be for fun but it seems like a lot of people have forgotten that !!</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;"><br></div><div id="SignatureBox" dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;font-size:9pt;font-style:italic;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0; font-size: 9pt; font-style: italic;">Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone</div></div></div><div style="font-size: 10pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt;"><div id="LGEmailHeader" dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;">------ Original message------</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;"><b>From: </b>Joe Walker via NSRCA-discus sion</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;"><b>Date: </b>Tue, Jun 20, 2017 3:47 PM</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;"><b>To: </b>John Gayer;Scott McHarg;NSRCA Mailing List;General pattern discussion;</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;"><b>Cc: </b></div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / New Sequences - My thoughts - Long</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" data-mce-style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;"><br></div></div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px" dir="ltr" data-mce-style="color: #000; background-color: #fff; font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264087" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264466"><span size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264553" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">Good afternoon John,</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1
497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264088"><span size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264557" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">I'm not certain that the entirety of the board subscribes to the list, but I'm here now and it is a voluntary discussion list. It's also not the only way to communicate, so if there is a hot topic you would like to see immediate action on, please send an email to the person you are desiring to connect with. Or better yet, a phone call. I can tell you now from experience that it sure does fill up your inbox in a hurry! My preference would be to change to a platform that is a bit more in line with the rest of the world, but I'm certain that will stir up another thread, thus contributing more to the inbox influx, so I'll save that for another time ;-). </span></span><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264835"><span size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264836" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">I can also say definitively that engaging every post is a n <b><i>enormous</i></b> time </span></span><span size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264837" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">commitment. People like to type!</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264800"><span size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264799" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">I think there have been many great suggestions on a variety of topics. I'm certainly on board with several great ideas and have been, and will continue to be an advocate for reasonable discussion with suggestions to make what we do more fun for everyone.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264464"><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">Best,</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264463"><span size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264555" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">Joe Walker</span></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr"><br><div><br></div></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;" dir="ltr" data-mce-style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;" dir="ltr" data-mce-style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" dir="ltr" data-mce-style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir="ltr"><span size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"> On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:09 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">> wrote:</a><br></span></div><br><div><br></div><div class="y_msg
_container" dir="ltr"><div id="yiv5567556157" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Scott,<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> I can only ask why the board is not subscribed to this list?<br clear="none"> That is how you keep a finger on the pulse of the membership (or at least the vocal parts of it). Not the only way, of course.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> There is no requirement to respond or take action on anything the board or committee members read here but the threads exist to be pursued and ideas presented that may strike a chord.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Not everything here has been negative. Many positive suggestions have been made. <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> I'm sure the board could issue a waiver to the two year rule for Masters if they want to. Or just change one maneuver, or two. I have candidates. :=) Probably need to do that for Sportsman as well.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> John< br clear="none"> <br clear="none"><div class="yiv5567556157yqt6314894048" id="yiv5567556157yqt28817" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv5567556157moz-cite-prefix" dir="ltr">On 6/20/2017 7:51 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv5567556157gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;" dir="ltr" data-mce-style="font-family: georgia, serif; color: #0000ff;">Sorry, I would like to rephrase my last sentence. I'd like to blame auto-correct but, I don't think that'll work in this case. Sorry people.</div><div class="yiv5567556157gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;" dir="ltr" data-mce-style="font-family: georgia, serif; color: #0000ff;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv5567556157gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;" dir="ltr" data-mce-style="font-family: georgia, serif; color: #0000ff;">"Truly, great comments all around but if it's not being recognized or seen by those that can change it, what's the point?"</div></div>< div class="yiv5567556157gmail_extra" dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv5567556157gmail_signature" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255);" data-mce-style="color: #3333ff;"><span data-mce-style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif; font-size: large;" style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif; font-size: large;" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</span></b><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div><div dir="ltr">Texas A&M University</div><div dir="ltr">PPL - ASEL</div><div dir="ltr">Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5567556157gmail_quote" dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Scott McHa rg <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" data-mce-href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv5567556157gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" data-mce-style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv5567556157gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;" dir="ltr" data-mce-style="font-family: georgia, serif; color: #0000ff;">It's one thing for us to debate a proposed sequence that hasn't even been approved by the board for public comment that got out by accident and quite another thing to break the AMA Rules stipulating that we do change Masters at least once every 2 years. I'm all in favor of this discussion but wouldn't it make sense that we make sure our board was picking up what we're putting down? Truly, great comments all around but if it's being ignored by those that can change it, what's the point?</div></div><div class="yiv5567556157gmail_extra" dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv5567556157m_1189108883163141717gmail_signature" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255);" data-mce-style="color: #3333ff;"><span data-mce-style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif; font-size: large;" style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif; font-size: large;" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</span></b><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div><div dir="ltr">Texas A&M University</div><div dir="ltr">PPL - ASEL</div><div dir="ltr">Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv5567556157h5" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5567556157gmail_quote" dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:35 AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" data-mce-href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv5567556157gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" data-mce-style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">The Sequence Committee and the entire Sequence Development Guide was established for the NSRCA to create the schedules used in the AMA Pattern event. I believe the establishment of that process was key in getting the rules changed to where the NSRCA had control of the patterns, not the AMA R/C Aerobatics Contest Board. Are we supposed to just forget all that because the ball was dropped this cycle? I think the better option since we can no longer follow the established schedule is to not change the patterns for this cycle. What's the worst that could happen? Everyone gets better at flying them and newcomers to a class get a break?<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> I don't understand your idea of forming another committee. Don't we already have a Sequence Committee and a Rules Committee ? Seems like they are there to do what you are talking about. Of course it also seems like not much was done about submitting rules proposals from the NSRCA this cycle. But maybe I am not aware of why that happened.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> All in favor of eliminating the weight rule and allowing 12S. But that really is another story.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Tony Frackowiak<br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv5567556157m_1189108883163141717h5" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"> On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:31 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > I find it interesting that when we discuss using sequences developed and used internationally there is substantial resistance and a lot of not invented here, loss of control, etc. We can certainly overcome the loss of control by keeping a modification capability when we encounter something undesirable in a sequence we want to use. Not invented here can save us a lot of work,<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > On the other hand, when we talking about rewriting rules for using 12S batteries or eliminating/reducing weight restrictions for AMA classes, there is a hue and cry that we have to stay in lockstep with FAI or the sky will fall.<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > I don't understand either position. We should take advantage of work done around the world but not be bound to it. If we can build a better mousetrap for less money, that's great. If we can't, then take advantage of published and available work wherever it comes from. P19 is not terribly exciting but it is easier than either the current or the new Masters sequence.<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > Keeping that in mind, I suggest we accept P19 as the Masters schedule for next year only on a trial basis.<br clear="none"> > In the meantime, a committee should be formed to formulate a plan for future sequences. The three sequence rotation makes a lot of sense to me for Sportsman and Intermediate. Advanced could go that way too but probably should adapt to whatever longterm plan is adopted for Masters. I would suggest having forms available at contest to survey contestants throughout the year about their sequences.<br clear="none"> > At the end of the year, the committee would publish recommendations for how to generate sequences for all classes. A recommendation I could make right now is that the board ensur es the committee adheres to the guidelines and charter. The committee could make changes to the documents but would need board approval for those changes prior to implementation or ask for a waiver.<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > John<br clear="none"></div></div>> ______________________________ _________________<br clear="none"> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br clear="none"> > <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" data-mce-href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.o rg</a><br clear="none"> > <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussio
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