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    You're right. You didn't. I'm sorry.<br>
    I was trying to make a general comment. There have been negative
    comments but also  good suggestions promoting a ton of different
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2017 2:56 PM, Scott McHarg via
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          style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">I certainly
          didn't say anything about negative comments.  In fact, I
          believe I said that there were some great ideas.  That's why I
          wanted to make sure our leadership heard the voices.</div>
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                          size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br>
                      <div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div>
                      <div>Texas A&M University</div>
                      <div>PPL - ASEL</div>
                      <div>Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Jon
          Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a
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            <div dir="auto">I know that Anthony and Joe, at least, are
              on it.<br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 20, 2017 3:09 PM, John
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                  <div> Scott,<br>
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                    I can only ask why the board is not subscribed to
                    this list?<br>
                    That is how you keep a finger on the pulse of the
                    membership (or at least the vocal parts of it). Not
                    the only way, of course.<br>
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                    There is no requirement to respond or take action on
                    anything the board or committee members read here
                    but the threads exist to be pursued and ideas
                    presented that may strike a chord.<br>
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                    Not everything here has been negative. Many positive
                    suggestions have been made. <br>
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                    I'm sure the board could issue a waiver to the two
                    year rule for Masters if they want to.  Or just
                    change one maneuver, or two. I have candidates. :=) 
                    Probably need to do that for Sportsman as well.<br>
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                    John<br>
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                    <div>On 6/20/2017 7:51 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:<br>
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                          style="font-family:'georgia',serif;color:#0000ff">Sorry,
                          I would like to rephrase my last sentence. 
                          I'd like to blame auto-correct but, I don't
                          think that'll work in this case.  Sorry
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                          style="font-family:'georgia',serif;color:#0000ff">"Truly,
                          great comments all around but if it's not
                          being recognized or seen by those that can
                          change it, what's the point?"</div>
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                                          A. McHarg</font></b><br>
                                      <div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S.
                                        Research Pilot</div>
                                      <div>Texas A&M University</div>
                                      <div>PPL - ASEL</div>
                                      <div>Remote Pilot Certified Under
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                          Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Scott McHarg <span
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                                style="font-family:'georgia',serif;color:#0000ff">It's
                                one thing for us to debate a proposed
                                sequence that hasn't even been approved
                                by the board for public comment that got
                                out by accident and quite another thing
                                to break the AMA Rules stipulating that
                                we do change Masters at least once every
                                2 years.  I'm all in favor of this
                                discussion but wouldn't it make sense
                                that we make sure our board was picking
                                up what we're putting down?  Truly,
                                great comments all around but if it's
                                being ignored by those that can change
                                it, what's the point?</div>
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                                            <div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S.
                                              Research Pilot</div>
                                            <div>Texas A&M
                                              University</div>
                                            <div>PPL - ASEL</div>
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                                    Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:35 AM,
                                    Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion
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                                    wrote:<br>
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                                      Sequence Committee and the entire
                                      Sequence Development Guide was
                                      established for the NSRCA to
                                      create the schedules used in the
                                      AMA Pattern event. I believe the
                                      establishment of that process was
                                      key in getting the rules changed
                                      to where the NSRCA had control of
                                      the patterns, not the AMA R/C
                                      Aerobatics Contest Board. Are we
                                      supposed to just forget all that
                                      because the ball was dropped this
                                      cycle? I think the better option
                                      since we can no longer follow the
                                      established schedule is to not
                                      change the patterns for this
                                      cycle. What's the worst that could
                                      happen? Everyone gets better at
                                      flying them and newcomers to a
                                      class get a break?<br>
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                                      I don't understand your idea of
                                      forming another committee. Don't
                                      we already have a Sequence
                                      Committee and a Rules Committee?
                                      Seems like they are there to do
                                      what you are talking about. Of
                                      course it also seems like not much
                                      was done about submitting rules
                                      proposals from the NSRCA this
                                      cycle. But maybe I am not aware of
                                      why that happened.<br>
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                                      All in favor of eliminating the
                                      weight rule and allowing 12S. But
                                      that really is another story.<br>
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                                      Tony Frackowiak<br>
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                                          On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:31 PM,
                                          John Gayer via
                                          NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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                                          > I find it interesting
                                          that when we discuss using
                                          sequences developed and used
                                          internationally there is
                                          substantial resistance and a
                                          lot of not invented here, loss
                                          of control, etc. We can
                                          certainly overcome the loss of
                                          control by keeping a
                                          modification capability when
                                          we encounter something
                                          undesirable in a  sequence we
                                          want to use. Not invented here
                                          can save us a lot of work,<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > On the other hand, when
                                          we talking about rewriting
                                          rules for using 12S batteries
                                          or eliminating/reducing weight
                                          restrictions for AMA classes,
                                          there is a hue and cry that we
                                          have to stay in lockstep with
                                          FAI or the sky will fall.<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > I don't understand either
                                          position. We should take
                                          advantage of work done around
                                          the world but not be bound to
                                          it. If we can build a better
                                          mousetrap for less money,
                                          that's great. If we can't,
                                          then take advantage of
                                          published and available work
                                          wherever it comes from. P19 is
                                          not terribly exciting but it
                                          is easier than either the
                                          current or the new Masters
                                          sequence.<br>
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                                          > Keeping that in mind, I
                                          suggest we accept P19 as the
                                          Masters schedule for next year
                                          only on a trial basis.<br>
                                          > In the meantime, a
                                          committee should be formed to
                                          formulate a plan for future
                                          sequences.  The three sequence
                                          rotation makes a lot of sense
                                          to me for Sportsman and
                                          Intermediate. Advanced could
                                          go that way too but probably
                                          should adapt to whatever
                                          longterm plan is adopted for
                                          Masters. I would suggest
                                          having forms available at
                                          contest to survey contestants
                                          throughout the year about
                                          their sequences.<br>
                                          > At the end of the year,
                                          the committee would publish
                                          recommendations for how to
                                          generate sequences for all
                                          classes. A recommendation I
                                          could make right now is that
                                          the board ensures the
                                          committee adheres to the
                                          guidelines and charter. The
                                          committee could make changes
                                          to the documents but would
                                          need board approval for those
                                          changes prior to
                                          implementation or ask for a
                                          waiver.<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > John<br>
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