<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264087"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264466"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264553">Good afternoon John,</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264088"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264557">I'm not certain that the entirety of the board subscribes to the list, but I'm here now and it is a voluntary discussion list. It's also not the only way to communicate, so if there is a hot topic you would like to see immediate action on, please send an email to the person you are desiring to connect with. Or better yet, a phone call. I can tell you now from experience that it sure does fill up your inbox in a hurry! My preference would be to change to a platform that is a bit more in line with the rest of the world, but I'm certain that will stir up another thread, thus contributing more to the inbox influx, so I'll save that for another time ;-). </font></span><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264835"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264836">I can also say definitively that engaging every post is an <b><i>enormous</i></b> time </font></span><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264837">commitment. People like to type!</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264800"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264799">I think there have been many great suggestions on a variety of topics. I'm certainly on board with several great ideas and have been, and will continue to be an advocate for reasonable discussion with suggestions to make what we do more fun for everyone.</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264464"><font size="3">Best,</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264463"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264555">Joe Walker</font></span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:09 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5567556157"><div>
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I can only ask why the board is not subscribed to this list?<br clear="none">
That is how you keep a finger on the pulse of the membership (or at
least the vocal parts of it). Not the only way, of course.<br clear="none">
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There is no requirement to respond or take action on anything the
board or committee members read here but the threads exist to be
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I'm sure the board could issue a waiver to the two year rule for
Masters if they want to. Or just change one maneuver, or two. I
have candidates. :=) Probably need to do that for Sportsman as
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<div class="yiv5567556157yqt6314894048" id="yiv5567556157yqt28817"><div class="yiv5567556157moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2017 7:51 AM, Scott McHarg
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comments all around but if it's not being recognized or seen
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<div class="yiv5567556157gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Scott
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<div class="yiv5567556157gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;">It's one
thing for us to debate a proposed sequence that hasn't
even been approved by the board for public comment that
got out by accident and quite another thing to break the
AMA Rules stipulating that we do change Masters at least
once every 2 years. I'm all in favor of this discussion
but wouldn't it make sense that we make sure our board
was picking up what we're putting down? Truly, great
comments all around but if it's being ignored by those
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AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>></span>
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Sequence Committee and the entire Sequence
Development Guide was established for the NSRCA to
create the schedules used in the AMA Pattern
event. I believe the establishment of that process
was key in getting the rules changed to where the
NSRCA had control of the patterns, not the AMA R/C
Aerobatics Contest Board. Are we supposed to just
forget all that because the ball was dropped this
cycle? I think the better option since we can no
longer follow the established schedule is to not
change the patterns for this cycle. What's the
worst that could happen? Everyone gets better at
flying them and newcomers to a class get a break?<br clear="none">
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I don't understand your idea of forming another
committee. Don't we already have a Sequence
Committee and a Rules Committee? Seems like they
are there to do what you are talking about. Of
course it also seems like not much was done about
submitting rules proposals from the NSRCA this
cycle. But maybe I am not aware of why that
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All in favor of eliminating the weight rule and
allowing 12S. But that really is another story.<br clear="none">
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> I find it interesting that when we
discuss using sequences developed and used
internationally there is substantial
resistance and a lot of not invented here,
loss of control, etc. We can certainly
overcome the loss of control by keeping a
modification capability when we encounter
something undesirable in a sequence we want
to use. Not invented here can save us a lot of
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> On the other hand, when we talking about
rewriting rules for using 12S batteries or
eliminating/reducing weight restrictions for
AMA classes, there is a hue and cry that we
have to stay in lockstep with FAI or the sky
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> I don't understand either position. We
should take advantage of work done around the
world but not be bound to it. If we can build
a better mousetrap for less money, that's
great. If we can't, then take advantage of
published and available work wherever it comes
from. P19 is not terribly exciting but it is
easier than either the current or the new
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> Keeping that in mind, I suggest we accept
P19 as the Masters schedule for next year only
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> In the meantime, a committee should be
formed to formulate a plan for future
sequences. The three sequence rotation makes
a lot of sense to me for Sportsman and
Intermediate. Advanced could go that way too
but probably should adapt to whatever longterm
plan is adopted for Masters. I would suggest
having forms available at contest to survey
contestants throughout the year about their
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> At the end of the year, the committee
would publish recommendations for how to
generate sequences for all classes. A
recommendation I could make right now is that
the board ensures the committee adheres to the
guidelines and charter. The committee could
make changes to the documents but would need
board approval for those changes prior to
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