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Joe,<br>
Thanks for the reply.<br>
One suggestion I have is to reinstitute the physical board meeting
at the Nats or perhaps a meeting with beer and whatever. It's a
great opportunity to meet your fellow board members and discuss the
future of pattern. Just keep it informal and fun. The idea is more
to form connections then to discuss normal board business.<br>
<br>
Concerning the list, set up a local folder for the list and use a
filter to dump into it. Then you have no additional inbox clutter
and its easy to tell when there is a hot topic.<br>
<br>
John<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2017 2:43 PM, Joe Walker wrote:<br>
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264553" size="3">Good
afternoon John,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264088"><font
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264557" size="3">I'm
not certain that the entirety of the board subscribes to
the list, but I'm here now and it is a voluntary
discussion list. It's also not the only way to
communicate, so if there is a hot topic you would like to
see immediate action on, please send an email to the
person you are desiring to connect with. Or better yet, a
phone call. I can tell you now from experience that it
sure does fill up your inbox in a hurry! My preference
would be to change to a platform that is a bit more in
line with the rest of the world, but I'm certain that will
stir up another thread, thus contributing more to the
inbox influx, so I'll save that for another time ;-). </font></span><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264835"><font
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264836" size="3">I can
also say definitively that engaging every post is an <b><i>enormous</i></b>
time </font></span><font
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264837" size="3">commitment.
People like to type!</font></div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264799" size="3">I
think there have been many great suggestions on a variety
of topics. I'm certainly on board with several great
ideas and have been, and will continue to be an advocate
for reasonable discussion with suggestions to make what we
do more fun for everyone.</font></span></div>
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June 20, 2017 4:09 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion
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<div> Scott,<br clear="none">
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I can only ask why the board is not subscribed to
this list?<br clear="none">
That is how you keep a finger on the pulse of the
membership (or at least the vocal parts of it). Not
the only way, of course.<br clear="none">
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There is no requirement to respond or take action on
anything the board or committee members read here
but the threads exist to be pursued and ideas
presented that may strike a chord.<br clear="none">
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Not everything here has been negative. Many positive
suggestions have been made. <br clear="none">
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I'm sure the board could issue a waiver to the two
year rule for Masters if they want to. Or just
change one maneuver, or two. I have candidates. :=)
Probably need to do that for Sportsman as well.<br
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blame auto-correct but, I don't think
that'll work in this case. Sorry people.</div>
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all around but if it's not being recognized
or seen by those that can change it, what's
the point?"</div>
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<div>Texas A&M University</div>
<div>PPL - ASEL</div>
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Jun 20, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Scott McHarg <span
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style="font-family:georgia,
serif;color:#0000ff;">It's one thing
for us to debate a proposed sequence
that hasn't even been approved by the
board for public comment that got out
by accident and quite another thing to
break the AMA Rules stipulating that
we do change Masters at least once
every 2 years. I'm all in favor of
this discussion but wouldn't it make
sense that we make sure our board was
picking up what we're putting down?
Truly, great comments all around but
if it's being ignored by those that
can change it, what's the point?</div>
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Frackowiak Tony via
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Sequence Committee and the
entire Sequence Development
Guide was established for the
NSRCA to create the schedules
used in the AMA Pattern event. I
believe the establishment of
that process was key in getting
the rules changed to where the
NSRCA had control of the
patterns, not the AMA R/C
Aerobatics Contest Board. Are we
supposed to just forget all that
because the ball was dropped
this cycle? I think the better
option since we can no longer
follow the established schedule
is to not change the patterns
for this cycle. What's the worst
that could happen? Everyone gets
better at flying them and
newcomers to a class get a
break?<br clear="none">
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I don't understand your idea of
forming another committee. Don't
we already have a Sequence
Committee and a Rules Committee?
Seems like they are there to do
what you are talking about. Of
course it also seems like not
much was done about submitting
rules proposals from the NSRCA
this cycle. But maybe I am not
aware of why that happened.<br
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All in favor of eliminating the
weight rule and allowing 12S.
But that really is another
story.<br clear="none">
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On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:31 PM,
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> I find it interesting
that when we discuss using
sequences developed and used
internationally there is
substantial resistance and a
lot of not invented here,
loss of control, etc. We can
certainly overcome the loss
of control by keeping a
modification capability when
we encounter something
undesirable in a sequence
we want to use. Not invented
here can save us a lot of
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> On the other hand, when
we talking about rewriting
rules for using 12S
batteries or
eliminating/reducing weight
restrictions for AMA
classes, there is a hue and
cry that we have to stay in
lockstep with FAI or the sky
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> I don't understand
either position. We should
take advantage of work done
around the world but not be
bound to it. If we can build
a better mousetrap for less
money, that's great. If we
can't, then take advantage
of published and available
work wherever it comes from.
P19 is not terribly exciting
but it is easier than either
the current or the new
Masters sequence.<br
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> Keeping that in mind, I
suggest we accept P19 as the
Masters schedule for next
year only on a trial basis.<br
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> In the meantime, a
committee should be formed
to formulate a plan for
future sequences. The three
sequence rotation makes a
lot of sense to me for
Sportsman and Intermediate.
Advanced could go that way
too but probably should
adapt to whatever longterm
plan is adopted for Masters.
I would suggest having forms
available at contest to
survey contestants
throughout the year about
their sequences.<br
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> At the end of the year,
the committee would publish
recommendations for how to
generate sequences for all
classes. A recommendation I
could make right now is that
the board ensures the
committee adheres to the
guidelines and charter. The
committee could make changes
to the documents but would
need board approval for
those changes prior to
implementation or ask for a
waiver.<br clear="none">
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