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I expect it goes back to when all the events were happening at once,
in one town or base, at multiple sites. Then you would need a CD to
have overall authority to resolve conflicts over all the events and
their EDs. Those were the days when you could <i>feel</i> the
dynajets firing up over at the controlline speed circles and you
might lose electrical power because a combat flyaway trailed its
lines over a power line. There was no time for practice, too much to
see. All of modelings best, in one place, at one time. <br>
<br>
John<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2017 10:09 PM, Ronald Van Putte
via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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I don’t know when ED was first used by AMA to designate an event
director, but I was the R/C Aerobatics event director for the 1996
and 1997 Nats in Muncie, so it originated before 1996.
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<div class="">Ron Van Putte</div>
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<div class="">On Jun 18, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Larry Diamond via
NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Please
help me understand where the term ED comes from.
Since I can’t find it on the AMA website, I assume
that it must be an NSRCA term documented in our
Procedures, By-Laws, or something.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b
class=""><u class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);" class="">AMA Sanction Application:</span></u></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Document
302, Revision 2.14.2017<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">AMA
Definitions:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b
class=""><u class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);" class="">CD – Contest Director:</span></u></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>For all rule
book sanction events. Must be identified on the AMA
Sanction Application. Cannot be changed by anyone
other than by the AMA or through resignation.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b
class=""><u class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);" class="">Event Manager:</span></u></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>For all
Non-Rule Book Sanctioned events.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The
AMA does not seem to identify an “Event Director” in
the Sanction Application or on the AMA website. So
where does it come from?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The
AMA clearly states if you have an AMA rule-book
event, you must have a CD, end of story. Nowhere on
the Sanction Application is it stipulated for an ED.
There are 15 times Director is in the form, all of
which is the CD. In reviewing the Sanction
Application, there are no previsions for a
Co-Contest Director.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Who
completed and signed the Sanction Application? If it
is Al Glenn, then he is legally bound to the
Sanction and our AMA insurance coverage depends on
it. If it somebody else, then they are. If the NSRCA
wishes to appoint an Event Director, it is my
opinion that it becomes a supporting role to the CD.
The CD is overall responsible for the contest to the
AMA exclusively and to adhere to all AMA regulations
and rules. I believe if there is a conflict between
the NSRCA and the AMA, the AMA documentation
prevails.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Any
attempt to circumvent the AMA sanction by appointing
somebody over a registered CD, becomes a disaster.
I’m not an attorney and somebody who is should help
clarify, as there becomes a risk of liability in the
event of property damage or personal injury. Even a
new out of school attorney wouldn’t have much of a
problem with that case. At the top of the liability
ring would be the NSRCA, and the AMA for allowing
such a disaster to occur.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">On
another note, the NSCRA BoD either individually or
collectively has disenfranchised at least two NSRCA
members for doing the right thing. Both have served
the NSRCA with Honor and dignity. To them, I
personally apologize for the way the NSRCA has
treated you this past few weeks. I thank you for
your courage, humility, and dedication.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b
class=""><u class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);" class="">Joe Walker</span></u></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">,
this is on you. You are our President and the leader
of the BoD. From my point of view, taking a path of
ignorance does show the reason for this fiasco, but
more importantly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
class="">it does not show ownership of the
situation at hand</u>. You accepted the role, you
own it. Please take immediate control.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">For
me, the website chatter is noise. Has no relevance
to the situation other than to deflect
responsibility of the NSRCA Leadership. Doesn’t sit
well with me. Most likely because of my Military
background.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Personally,
I believe in you as well as the others on the BoD. I
believe you will right this ship (sorry, retired
Navy guy here). You have zero time to get it done.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Regarding
the NATs, The registered CD is in charge and we
[NSRCA] must let the CD take control. It may be
better to use the same contest format as last year
as we are out of time to implement changes without
disenfranchising members who either will or are
planning to attend.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Sorry
for the rant, but it is my .02<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Best
Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Larry
Diamond</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="">
<div style="border-style: solid none none;
border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225,
225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion
[<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Joe
Walker via NSRCA-discussion<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
June 18, 2017 2:08 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Frackowiak
Tony <<a
href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a>>;
General pattern discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>John
Gayer <<a
href="mailto:west.engineering@comcast.net"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">west.engineering@comcast.net</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] LONG conversation with Joe
Walker on NATs, sequence proposals, and other
NSRCA issues.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Good
afternoon all,<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I
appreciate the points being brought up and will
certainly work hard to ensure that all guidelines
and requirements are met. I must admit, it’s been
difficult searching for information myself, let
alone folks who are seeking guidance that are not
directly involved in making decisions that affect
all of us. This fact alone has been a core driver
in my decision to become involved in the
organization in more direct way.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Now,
that said, we need to find a path forward that works
for the organization as a whole, and of course the
entirety of the membership. There are innumerable
points that we can all get mired in, debate and get
irritated about, but my primary interest is
gathering all legacy information, previous comments,
new input, etc., and match the task of clearly
documenting and organizing that information into a
useful, and user friendly format. This serves not
only my personal needs to know where to look, but
also serves the membership by having all information
and resources at our fingertips.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">This
effort has started with an overhaul of the website.
Through no individual’s actions, the previous life
of the website became a repository of bits and
pieces of these resources, rather than a lean and
clear source of information. Many of these
resources are quite useful and had been meticulously
created by NSRCA members over the years.
Unfortunately, some of documents conflict each
other and some are silent on issues that need
direction or clarity. Some procedural requirements
are missing all together. Derek Koopowitz has
generously donated countless hours of his personal
time and financial resources to develop and maintain
the web presence. His efforts should be commended!
Peter Vogel has spent just as much time developing
and refining content for the website. What we
really need now is a few folks with an eye for
detail and are tuned in to procedures and rules to
assist in vetting the information that we have
posted and help create a more comprehensive resource
that has reliable information and links to other
regulatory agencies that affect our procedures.
This is a giant task that would go to serve us all
well in the end.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">You
may ask why I am talking about the website in
relation to the sequences or the format of the Nats
topics du jour. Well, it’s all related at the core
of the issues at hand, information. Many of the
points that have been brought up in these discussion
forums are completely reasonable points. We need to
get to a place where we are able to distance the
points that are being made from the distracting
emotions. For those that have read my articles in
the K-Factor, this theme has been clear and
consistent. I’ve also directly reached out and
asked for folks to email me personally (via the
K-Factor articles) with any legacy information that
they feel is missing from the site or the decisions
they see that are being made. We have an
opportunity to make course corrections pretty easily
in most cases to adjust the path of a project, task,
or procedure, but this requires assistance from the
entire membership. It especially requires the long
term members who have served in these previous
capacities to contribute.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I
am always seeking passionate volunteers to devote
their skills and energy towards making the processes
better. I commit to keeping the NSRCA on a forward
trajectory by doing my best to ensure that decisions
are followed through with and tasks are completed.
Clearly things will be missed, and I’m certainly
not claiming perfection. I am seeking assistance
though. Are you willing to contribute to a solution
to help keep the NSRCA organized, accessible and
responsive to the needs and desires of the
membership? If so, please reach out to me directly
and I’m happy to work together to forge a plan that
benefits all of us. I appreciate the extra effort
that Jon Lowe made to speak with me directly and
help turn a situation he was unhappy about into a
productive strategy to make it better. I’m
available (mostly…), and I invite folks to give me a
ring. Let’s talk it out and develop a solution
together. “The Board” is not a secret society of
folks looking to destroy what we have, it’s a group
of folks who have volunteered their personal time to
help make our weekend fun with toy airplanes more
enjoyable by alleviating the general membership of
daunting task of organization. Please reach out to
your DVP’s and help them communicate concerns and
ideas that can be formally presented to the Board
for discussion and approval.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Best,<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Joe
Walker,<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">NSRCA
President<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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class="">On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:47 PM,
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Roman', serif;" class="">+1. Thank you John.
Just as a side note. I was on the Sequence
Committee for the previous 2 cycles. I was
not informed in any way that I would not
still be on the Sequence Committee. I was
also very surprised that the BOD appointed a
Chairperson who had never participated in
the process before. In the past, I believe,
the Chair always came from the existing
Committee.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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18, 2017, at 9:21 AM, John Gayer via
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Relative to the scheduling of the
new sequences, there is a document
that addresses the timeline for the
sequence committee. This document is
not on the website, at least not in
the logical place under sequence
development. Here is the section
about the schedule. This document
was generated in 2012 to separate
the functions of the committee from
the sequence development guide which
gets some updates every cycle.<br
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"
class="">4 Suggested Sequence
Submittal Process<br class="">
The following is the recommended
timeline for the development and
submission of new sequences.
Sequence<br class="">
development should always start in
two years prior to when the
sequence is to be replaced. For
example, if the<br class="">
Masters sequence (2 year
lifecycle) is to be replaced in
2015 (X) then work on the
development of a new<br class="">
sequence should start in 2013 (X –
2). What follows is a timeline
showing the activity (task) and
the month the<br class="">
activity should start:<br class="">
TASK TIMELINE<br class="">
Assign and approve Committee
Chairperson October - year X – 2<br
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Committee Chairperson recruits
Committee Membership October –
year X - 2<br class="">
BoD approves Committee Membership
November – year X - 2<br class="">
Establish development schedule
December – year X - 2<br class="">
Review design criteria/receive BoD
approval for changes December –
year X - 2<br class="">
Develop preliminary
changes/sequences and flight test
January through March – year X - 1<br
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Publish for public comment on
NSRCA website/K-Factor April
through May – year X - 1<br
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Finalize changes/sequence
selection based on comments June
through August – year X - 1<br
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Submit proposed changes/sequences
to BoD for approval October– year
X - 1<br class="">
Publish approved sequences on
NSRCA website/K-Factor November –
year X -1<br class="">
New sequences in use January –
year X<br class="">
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</span><span style="color: rgb(51,
102, 255);" class="">There is no
question about the requirement for
publishing the proposed sequences.
It was supposed to happen the
beginning of April. From your
email it appears that neither you
or Joe were aware of the
publication requirement or the
dates involved. I know you
addressed the lack of continuity
between boards in your ppost but I
believe the Committee had this
document and should have shared it
with the board. Certainly all past
Committee members had a copy.<br
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There is another section in this
document that addresses the makeup
of the committee and the oversight
function of the board.<br class="">
<br class="">
2.3 Membership<br class="">
There should be at least six
Committee members excluding the
Chairperson and should, if
possible, contain at<br class="">
least one member who is currently
competing in each of the AMA
classes. There should be
representation from<br class="">
as many NSRCA districts as
possible on the committee. Non
pilots and non NSRCA members may
be<br class="">
committee members, provided that
their qualifications meet the
approval of the Chairperson and
the BoD. The<br class="">
Committee shall contain at least
one current member of the BoD. All
members of the Committee are
voting<br class="">
members.<br class="">
<br class="">
2.5.1 Standard Committee
Procedures<br class="">
• The NSRCA President shall be the
primary point of contact for
communications between the<br
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Committee Chairperson and the
Board on all matters of directive
nature, and for deliverables from<br
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the Committee.<br class="">
• The Chairperson will select
members for his/her committee and
propose a team to the BoD.<br
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• The BoD will review the
Committee for national (District)
balance and representation across<br
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Intermediate through Masters
Classes and, if necessary, provide
recommendations on the<br class="">
Committee members to the
Chairperson. The BoD will then
vote to accept or reject the
proposed<br class="">
Committee members.<br class="">
• The Chairperson and Committee
members agree to work as a team
and reach a consensus on the<br
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Committee’s proposals. They agree
to support the Committee’s
proposal and not submit separate<br
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proposals on these sequences to
the BoD.<br class="">
• The Committee shall perform
their tasks within the schedule of
milestones as defined by the BoD.<br
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• The Committee will produce
proposed changes to sequences
based on input from the membership<br
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and their experience. The
sequences will be published in the
K Factor and on the NSRCA website<br
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for review.<br class="">
• The Committee will coordinate
with the Rules/Judging Committee
Chairperson to produce the<br
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final proposals, with supporting
rationale, to be approved by the
BoD.<br class="">
• Sequences for Sportsman,
Intermediate, Advanced and Masters
Class will be developed for<br
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presentation to and review by the
precision aerobatics community on
the NSRCA website. New<br class="">
sequences may not necessarily be
presented for all classes.<br
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<br class="">
I have cherry-picked the pertinent
sections from the document but
have also attached the complete
document. It's pretty clear that
the directives contained here were
not followed. The current
committee makeup does not conform
to the document in terms of
consensus, geographical
distribution, number of members or
the requirement for a current
board member.<br class="">
<br class="">
On another subject, It is my
understanding from when I was on
the board that the NSRCA board
proposes the ED to the AMA. Once
that is done, the ED
responsibility is to the AMA not
the NSRCA. At that point, the
NSRCA no longer has any authority
over the ED. If that is still the
case, how is the<span
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class="">board</i><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>creating
Co-EDs or changing the ED? And
directing change to the finals
from the originally published
setup when this is solely up to
the ED? It is very late to be
running surveys and reevaluating
procedures with the start barely a
month away. Even the survey itself
seems to be problematic. I've
attended four of the last six
Nats, year before last in Masters
but didn't qualify for the survey?<span
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Also we are finding out that the
F3A finals have been changed back
to the normal format. We find this
out because Jon had a long
conversation with Joe and posted
on the list? I can't find anything
on the website about the Co-CD
change, the survey, the change to
the F3A final or what's going on
with the sequence committee,
committee members or committee
members that have resigned and
been replaced. The Masters finals
sequence that was developed
without establishing any sequence
guidelines( at least not that
were published) or buyin from the
board is a case in point of the
lack of transparency of the
current committee.<br class="">
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John Gayer</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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LONG conversation Saturday about
the NATS, sequences, and NSRCA in
general. This email is what I
heard based on that conversation
and he knows I'm writing this.
I've known Joe for a number of
years, and we are good friends, so
we had a very frank discussion. I
don't think I swallowed any
koolade, but you be the judge.<o:p
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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am as guilty as anyone in reacting
to stuff on this discussion list,
without picking up the phone or
calling people directly. No
excuse, but modern media at work.
I should know, as a past president
of NSRCA, how hard it can be to
get to ground truth sometimes, and
to make sure accurate info is
distributed. For that, I
apologize.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class="">One thing I
didn't realize, was that until
yesterday, Joe was not on this
discussion list. He's primarily
used the NSRCA Facebook page. He's
catching up now with all of the
discussions here over the past
couple of weeks.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class="">You've probably
seen by now the letter on Mike
Harrison and Al Glenn being co-EDs
for the NATS. Joe realizes that
decision and clarification had not
been made either to them, the
NSRCA BoD, or the membership, and
it wasn't documented on the NSRCA
website. Joe and the BoD are
working on remedies to make sure
oversights like that don't happen
again. The BoD meeting was a
couple of nights ago, and it was
clarified then, and put out to the
membership.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class="">The changes to
the format of the NATS was also
discussed. The final format is the
EDs call, as long as it is by the
rule book. But as I reminded Joe,
the finals for Masters was
eliminated a couple of years ago
to great hue and cry when it was
unnecessary to use the matrix
system, and was reinstated the
following year. So tread
carefully. He pointed out that
this year's NATS is trying
something that hasn't been done in
years, and that some changes
happen as a result. This should
have been better communicated to
the membership. The survey that
went out yesterday was to affected
entrants to last year's and this
year's NATS. However, if the
changes to the finals are
affecting your decision on whether
or not to enter the NATS, I urge
you to contact Joe. His email and
phone number are in the back of
any KFactor. He did say that so
far the survey is about 80% for
the shortened Masters finals. I
don't know though how many
responses he's received.
Incidentally, FAI has reverted to
a 2-F, 2- unknown finals format,
according to Joe.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class="">He realizes that
NSRCA and the membership is in a
time crunch for vetting and
getting approval for the new AMA
sequences for next year. The BoD
first saw them a few hours before
we did, and it became clear during
the BoD meeting that they needed a
separate meeting to discuss and
vet them. Significant discussion
centered around the proposal for a
Master's class finals. That isn't
contemplated in the Sequence
guide, and there hasn't been any
decision on putting that before
the membership or not. According
to Joe, neither he, nor other
members of the BoD knew that a
finals sequence would be proposed,
total surprise. Obviously, to get
feedback to make necessary
changes, get approval from the
membership, final approval by the
BoD and to publish all of the new
sequences by years end is going to
be tough. Joe clearly understands
that challenge. In addition, he
said he recalls no discussion one
way or the other during the BoD
meeting about distributing what
they got from the sequence
committee to the general
membership. I told him I felt that
the sooner they get feedback the
better, and he agreed.
Constructive feedback to Joe or
your District VP is encouraged. I
know there have been some personal
issues that resulted from the
distribution of the sequences, and
Joe and others are working to
correct those problems. I hope
they can be resolved also. Those
involved will know what I'm
talking about.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class="">It still is not
clear to me, and I think Joe, why
the sequences we're developed in
such secrecy. This definitely
didn't help the current
controversy. I told Joe that
drafts should have been out months
ago for comment. He agreed that
this needs to be the process going
forward, and the procedure guide
for developing the sequences may
need clarification for timelines
and transparency.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class="">One of the things
I faced, and Joe is facing, is
loss of corporate knowledge
anytime there is new leadership in
charge. This is especially true of
volunteer organizations with no
central office. I have some things
I think can help, and I will make
sure Joe gets them. If you have
old files or other information you
think might benefit him or the
BoD, please contact him.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class="">I emphasized to
Joe the need for fast
communication on hot topics, even
to say they're working on it, and
will get back to us. He gets it,
and I think being on this list he
will get and can react to the hot
issues of the moment.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class="">Do I agree with
everything Joe said and the BoDs
actions? Of course not; I'd be
surprised if I did. Pattern fliers
are, if nothing else, opinionated
SOB's. Can they do better,
especially with communication?
Surely, and I think Joe gets that.
And I'm going to try to improve my
communication with Joe and my DVP,
Larry Kauffman, before I express
displeasure here.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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