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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>If we're not careful, perhaps AMA pattern
will evolve back into Curare's with retracts and a screaming piped .61 glow
powered engine up front with a single maneuver each pass. Who knows?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Curt Oberg<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> NSRCA-discussion
[mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</st1:PersonName>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Frackowiak <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Tony</st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName>
via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:20
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Joe Walker; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
LONG conversation with Joe Walker on NATs,sequence proposals, and other NSRCA
issues.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>OK, hears another "years ago" story. Years ago when you
pulled out a pattern plane at the local club field, it was the center of
attention. It was exciting to see and to watch fly. But over those years we
have slowly legislated pattern in to organized boredom. Our planes to us are
marvels of technology but to the average guy they are dull. We have to be so
quiet and our box requirements make us fly too far away. Like watching paint
dry if you're not in to it. Heck, at a pattern contest just look and see how
many are watching the flights. It pretty much comes down to just the judges.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>In IMAC the planes are exciting. Somewhat scale, and everybody likes
that. Really big, so take it to the local field and you get attention. They are
flown closer for the most part so that's cool. And they make some noise! Again,
cool! I fly some times at <st1:place w:st="on">Bear Mountain</st1:place> and
they hold one of the biggest IMAC meets in this area. The majority of the
flying on a weekend is large, IMAC type models. But you rarely see anyone
practicing IMAC. They are all out flying their IMAC models 3D. Very little
actual pattern practice. They do that the weekend before a contest. So large,
loud, scale 3D flying is exciting to the club members. If they are thinking
about doing any kind of competition that is where 90% will go, to IMAC.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There also was a time that pattern was a lot more blue collar then it
is now. The planes were not that much more expensive then a good sport model.
Those days are long gone, and so are the majority of the blue collars. With the
expense of the equipment plus the expense of attending weekend contests, it is
out of their reach. And if you're a white collar guy who can afford it, IMAC
looks like a lot more satisfying then pattern. Plus at the local club field you
can get a lot more attention. Very ego satisfying.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Tony</span></font></st1:PersonName> Frackowiak <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Jun 20, 2017, at 10:21 AM, Joe Walker via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Thanks
Rick,</span></span></font><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>In
my opinion, you've hit the nail on the head. I would agree that it
is not the difficulty level that affects participation for most people, nor is
it cost. It's really the return on investment. If you are enjoying
the experience, you are willing to make choices that take away time and money
from other activities to dedicate to this activity. Proof in the putting
is IMAC, for me locally. They regularly have contests that are 30+
people, more of them, all in the southeast, their planes cost 2-3x (not to
mention the rigs to haul them around) AND their sequences are much more
challenging at the lower class levels. IE, they have rollers in
intermediate. I realize that IMAC isn't popular in other parts of the
country, but might that be because those other parts of the country don't have
the concentration of pilots to make it fun? </span></span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
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for thought and consumption. </span></font><font size=1 color=black
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Joe
Walker</span></font><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On
Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:05 AM, rixsweeney--- via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>My
first NATS experience was when all events occurred, glad I got to experience
it. My next NATS experience was when it was just a Pattern NATS. Seemed a bit
dull in comparison. I really missed it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Rick
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From: </span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" shape=rect
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">John Gayer via
NSRCA-discussion</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent: </span></b>Monday, June 19, 2017 11:48
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To: </span></b><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" shape=rect
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Ronald Van Putte via
NSRCA-discussion</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject: </span></b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
LONG conversation with Joe Walker on NATs,sequence proposals, and other NSRCA
issues<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>I
expect it goes back to when all the events were happening at once, in one town
or base, at multiple sites. Then you would need a CD to have overall authority
to resolve conflicts over all the events and their EDs. Those were the days
when you could <i><span style='font-style:italic'>feel</span></i> the dynajets
firing up over at the controlline speed circles and you might lose electrical
power because a combat flyaway trailed its lines over a power line. There was
no time for practice, too much to see. All of modelings best, in one place, at
one time. <br>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>On
6/18/2017 10:09 PM, Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>I
don’t know when ED was first used by AMA to designate an event director, but I
was the R/C Aerobatics event director for the 1996 and 1997 Nats in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Muncie</st1:place></st1:City>, so it originated
before 1996. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>On
Jun 18, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" shape=rect
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>Please
help me understand where the term ED comes from. Since I can’t find it on the
AMA website, I assume that it must be an NSRCA term documented in our
Procedures, By-Laws, or something.</span></font><font size=2 color=black
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>AMA Sanction Application:</span></font></u></b><span
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>Document 302, Revision 2.14.2017</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><u><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>CD – Contest Director:</span></font></u></b><span
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>For all rule book sanction events. Must be identified
on the AMA Sanction Application. Cannot be changed by anyone other than by the
AMA or through resignation.</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Event Manager:</span></font></u></b><span
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>For all Non-Rule Book Sanctioned events.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>The
AMA does not seem to identify an “Event Director” in the Sanction Application
or on the AMA website. So where does it come from?</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>The
AMA clearly states if you have an AMA rule-book event, you must have a CD, end
of story. Nowhere on the Sanction Application is it stipulated for an ED. There
are 15 times Director is in the form, all of which is the CD. In
reviewing the Sanction Application, there are no previsions for a Co-Contest
Director.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>Who
completed and signed the Sanction Application? If it is Al Glenn, then he is
legally bound to the Sanction and our AMA insurance coverage depends on it. If
it somebody else, then they are. If the NSRCA wishes to appoint an Event
Director, it is my opinion that it becomes a supporting role to the CD. The CD
is overall responsible for the contest to the AMA exclusively and to adhere to
all AMA regulations and rules. I believe if there is a conflict between the
NSRCA and the AMA, the AMA documentation prevails.</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>Any
attempt to circumvent the AMA sanction by appointing somebody over a registered
CD, becomes a disaster. I’m not an attorney and somebody who is should help
clarify, as there becomes a risk of liability in the event of property damage
or personal injury. Even a new out of school attorney wouldn’t have much of a
problem with that case. At the top of the liability ring would be the NSRCA,
and the AMA for allowing such a disaster to occur.</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>On
another note, the NSCRA BoD either individually or collectively has
disenfranchised at least two NSRCA members for doing the right thing. Both have
served the NSRCA with Honor and dignity. To them, I personally apologize for
the way the NSRCA has treated you this past few weeks. I thank you for your
courage, humility, and dedication.</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><u><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Joe Walker</span></font></u></b><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>,
this is on you. You are our President and the leader of the BoD. From my point
of view, taking a path of ignorance does show the reason for this fiasco, but
more importantly<span class=yiv2636503680apple-converted-space> </span><u>it
does not show ownership of the situation at hand</u>. You accepted the role,
you own it. Please take immediate control.</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>For
me, the website chatter is noise. Has no relevance to the situation other than
to deflect responsibility of the NSRCA Leadership. Doesn’t sit well with me.
Most likely because of my Military background.</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>Personally,
I believe in you as well as the others on the BoD. I believe you will right
this ship (sorry, retired Navy guy here). You have zero time to get it done.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>Regarding
the NATs, The registered CD is in charge and we [NSRCA] must let the CD take
control. It may be better to use the same contest format as last year as we are
out of time to implement changes without disenfranchising members who either
will or are planning to attend.</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>Sorry
for the rant, but it is my .02</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>Best
Regards,</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Larry
Diamond</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=yiv2636503680apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'>NSRCA-discussion [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
shape=rect ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><font
color=purple><span style='color:purple'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></font></a>]<span
class=yiv2636503680apple-converted-space> </span><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of<span
class=yiv2636503680apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Joe Walker via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=yiv2636503680apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, June 18, 2017
2:08 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=yiv2636503680apple-converted-space> </span><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Frackowiak
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Tony</st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName> <<a
href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" shape=rect
ymailto="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</span></font></a>>; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName> <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" shape=rect
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></font></a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b><span
class=yiv2636503680apple-converted-space> </span>John Gayer <<a
href="mailto:west.engineering@comcast.net" target="_blank" shape=rect
ymailto="mailto:west.engineering@comcast.net"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>west.engineering@comcast.net</span></font></a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=yiv2636503680apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
LONG conversation with Joe Walker on NATs, sequence proposals, and other NSRCA
issues.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Good
afternoon all,</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>I
appreciate the points being brought up and will certainly work hard to ensure
that all guidelines and requirements are met. I must admit, it’s been
difficult searching for information myself, let alone folks who are seeking
guidance that are not directly involved in making decisions that affect all of
us. This fact alone has been a core driver in my decision to become
involved in the organization in more direct way.</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Now,
that said, we need to find a path forward that works for the organization as a
whole, and of course the entirety of the membership. There are
innumerable points that we can all get mired in, debate and get irritated
about, but my primary interest is gathering all legacy information, previous
comments, new input, etc., and match the task of clearly documenting and
organizing that information into a useful, and user friendly format. This
serves not only my personal needs to know where to look, but also serves the
membership by having all information and resources at our fingertips.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>This
effort has started with an overhaul of the website. Through no
individual’s actions, the previous life of the website became a repository of
bits and pieces of these resources, rather than a lean and clear source of
information. Many of these resources are quite useful and had been meticulously
created by NSRCA members over the years. Unfortunately, some of documents
conflict each other and some are silent on issues that need direction or
clarity. Some procedural requirements are missing all together.
Derek Koopowitz has generously donated countless hours of his personal
time and financial resources to develop and maintain the web presence.
His efforts should be commended! <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Peter
Vogel</st1:PersonName> has spent just as much time developing and refining
content for the website. What we really need now is a few folks with an
eye for detail and are tuned in to procedures and rules to assist in vetting
the information that we have posted and help create a more comprehensive
resource that has reliable information and links to other regulatory agencies
that affect our procedures. This is a giant task that would go to serve
us all well in the end.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>You
may ask why I am talking about the website in relation to the sequences or the
format of the Nats topics du jour. Well, it’s all related at the core of
the issues at hand, information. Many of the points that have been
brought up in these discussion forums are completely reasonable points.
We need to get to a place where we are able to distance the points that
are being made from the distracting emotions. For those that have read my
articles in the K-Factor, this theme has been clear and consistent. I’ve
also directly reached out and asked for folks to email me personally (via the
K-Factor articles) with any legacy information that they feel is missing from
the site or the decisions they see that are being made. We have an
opportunity to make course corrections pretty easily in most cases to adjust
the path of a project, task, or procedure, but this requires assistance from
the entire membership. It especially requires the long term members who
have served in these previous capacities to contribute.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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am always seeking passionate volunteers to devote their skills and energy
towards making the processes better. I commit to keeping the NSRCA on a forward
trajectory by doing my best to ensure that decisions are followed through with
and tasks are completed. Clearly things will be missed, and I’m certainly
not claiming perfection. I am seeking assistance though. Are you
willing to contribute to a solution to help keep the NSRCA organized,
accessible and responsive to the needs and desires of the membership? If
so, please reach out to me directly and I’m happy to work together to forge a
plan that benefits all of us. I appreciate the extra effort that Jon Lowe
made to speak with me directly and help turn a situation he was unhappy about
into a productive strategy to make it better. I’m available (mostly…),
and I invite folks to give me a ring. Let’s talk it out and develop a
solution together. “The Board” is not a secret society of folks looking
to destroy what we have, it’s a group of folks who have volunteered their
personal time to help make our weekend fun with toy airplanes more enjoyable by
alleviating the general membership of daunting task of organization.
Please reach out to your DVP’s and help them communicate concerns and
ideas that can be formally presented to the Board for discussion and approval.</span></font><font
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Thank you John. Just as a side note. I was on the Sequence Committee for the
previous 2 cycles. I was not informed in any way that I would not still be on
the Sequence Committee. I was also very surprised that the BOD appointed a
Chairperson who had never participated in the process before. In the past, I
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Relative to the scheduling of the new sequences, there is a document that
addresses the timeline for the sequence committee. This document is not on the
website, at least not in the logical place under sequence development. Here is
the section about the schedule. This document was generated in 2012 to separate
the functions of the committee from the sequence development guide which gets
some updates every cycle.<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color="#000066" face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#000066'>4 Suggested
Sequence Submittal Process<br>
The following is the recommended timeline for the development and submission of
new sequences. Sequence<br>
development should always start in two years prior to when the sequence is to
be replaced. For example, if the<br>
Masters sequence (2 year lifecycle) is to be replaced in 2015 (X) then work on
the development of a new<br>
sequence should start in 2013 (X – 2). What follows is a timeline showing the
activity (task) and the month the<br>
activity should start:<br>
TASK TIMELINE<br>
Assign and approve Committee Chairperson October - year X – 2<br>
Committee Chairperson recruits Committee Membership October – year X - 2<br>
BoD approves Committee Membership November – year X - 2<br>
Establish development schedule December – year X - 2<br>
Review design criteria/receive BoD approval for changes December – year X - 2<br>
Develop preliminary changes/sequences and flight test January through March –
year X - 1<br>
Publish for public comment on NSRCA website/K-Factor April through May – year X
- 1<br>
Finalize changes/sequence selection based on comments June through August –
year X - 1<br>
Submit proposed changes/sequences to BoD for approval October– year X - 1<br>
Publish approved sequences on NSRCA website/K-Factor November – year X -1<br>
New sequences in use January – year X<br>
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requirement for publishing the proposed sequences. It was supposed to happen
the beginning of April. From your email it appears that neither you or Joe were
aware of the publication requirement or the dates involved. I know you
addressed the lack of continuity between boards in your ppost but I believe the
Committee had this document and should have shared it with the board. Certainly
all past Committee members had a copy.<br>
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There is another section in this document that addresses the makeup of the
committee and the oversight function of the board.<br>
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2.3 Membership<br>
There should be at least six Committee members excluding the Chairperson and
should, if possible, contain at<br>
least one member who is currently competing in each of the AMA classes There
should be representation from<br>
as many NSRCA districts as possible on the committee. Non pilots and non NSRCA
members may be<br>
committee members, provided that their qualifications meet the approval of the
Chairperson and the BoD. The<br>
Committee shall contain at least one current member of the BoD. All members of
the Committee are voting<br>
members.<br>
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2.5.1 Standard Committee Procedures<br>
• The NSRCA President shall be the primary point of contact for communications
between the<br>
Committee Chairperson and the Board on all matters of directive nature, and for
deliverables from<br>
the Committee.<br>
• The Chairperson will select members for his/her committee and propose a team
to the BoD.<br>
• The BoD will review the Committee for national (District) balance and
representation across<br>
Intermediate through Masters Classes and, if necessary, provide recommendations
on the<br>
Committee members to the Chairperson. The BoD will then vote to accept or
reject the proposed<br>
Committee members.<br>
• The Chairperson and Committee members agree to work as a team and reach a
consensus on the<br>
Committee’s proposals. They agree to support the Committee’s proposal and not
submit separate<br>
proposals on these sequences to the BoD.<br>
• The Committee shall perform their tasks within the schedule of milestones as
defined by the BoD.<br>
• The Committee will produce proposed changes to sequences based on input from
the membership<br>
and their experience. The sequences will be published in the K Factor and on
the NSRCA website<br>
for review.<br>
• The Committee will coordinate with the Rules/Judging Committee Chairperson to
produce the<br>
final proposals, with supporting rationale, to be approved by the BoD.<br>
• Sequences for Sportsman, Intermediate, Advanced and Masters Class will be
developed for<br>
presentation to and review by the precision aerobatics community on the NSRCA
website. New<br>
sequences may not necessarily be presented for all classes.<br>
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I have cherry-picked the pertinent sections from the document but have also
attached the complete document. It's pretty clear that the directives
contained here were not followed. The current committee makeup does not conform
to the document in terms of consensus, geographical distribution, number
of members or the requirement for a current board member.<br>
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On another subject, It is my understanding from when I was on the board that
the NSRCA board proposes the ED to the AMA. Once that is done, the ED
responsibility is to the AMA not the NSRCA. At that point, the NSRCA no
longer has any authority over the ED. If that is still the case, how is the<span
class=yiv2636503680apple-converted-space> </span><i><span
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changing the ED? And directing change to the finals from the originally
published setup when this is solely up to the ED? It is very late to be running
surveys and reevaluating procedures with the start barely a month away. Even
the survey itself seems to be problematic. I've attended four of the last six Nats,
year before last in Masters but didn't qualify for the survey?<span
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Also we are finding out that the F3A finals have been changed back to the
normal format. We find this out because Jon had a long conversation with Joe
and posted on the list? I can't find anything on the website about the Co-CD
change, the survey, the change to the F3A final or what's going on with the
sequence committee, committee members or committee members that have resigned
and been replaced. The Masters finals sequence that was developed without
establishing any sequence guidelines( at least not that were published)
or buyin from the board is a case in point of the lack of transparency of the
current committee.<br>
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and I had a LONG conversation Saturday about the NATS, sequences, and NSRCA in
general. This email is what I heard based on that conversation and he
knows I'm writing this. I've known Joe for a number of years, and we are good
friends, so we had a very frank discussion. I don't think I swallowed any
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though, I am as guilty as anyone in reacting to stuff on this discussion list,
without picking up the phone or calling people directly. No excuse, but modern
media at work. I should know, as a past president of NSRCA, how hard it can be
to get to ground truth sometimes, and to make sure accurate info is
distributed. For that, I apologize.</span></font><font size=2 color=black
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thing I didn't realize, was that until yesterday, Joe was not on this
discussion list. He's primarily used the NSRCA Facebook page. He's catching up
now with all of the discussions here over the past couple of weeks.</span></font><font
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probably seen by now the letter on Mike Harrison and Al Glenn being co-EDs for
the NATS. Joe realizes that decision and clarification had not been made either
to them, the NSRCA BoD, or the membership, and it wasn't documented on the
NSRCA website. Joe and the BoD are working on remedies to make sure oversights
like that don't happen again. The BoD meeting was a couple of nights ago, and
it was clarified then, and put out to the membership.</span></font><font
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changes to the format of the NATS was also discussed. The final format is the
EDs call, as long as it is by the rule book. But as I reminded Joe, the finals
for Masters was eliminated a couple of years ago to great hue and cry when it
was unnecessary to use the matrix system, and was reinstated the following
year. So tread carefully. He pointed out that this year's NATS is trying
something that hasn't been done in years, and that some changes happen as a
result. This should have been better communicated to the membership. The survey
that went out yesterday was to affected entrants to last year's and this year's
NATS. However, if the changes to the finals are affecting your decision
on whether or not to enter the NATS, I urge you to contact Joe. His email and
phone number are in the back of any KFactor. He did say that so far the survey
is about 80% for the shortened Masters finals. I don't know though how many
responses he's received. Incidentally, FAI has reverted to a 2-F, 2- unknown
finals format, according to Joe.</span></font><font size=2 color=black
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realizes that NSRCA and the membership is in a time crunch for vetting and
getting approval for the new AMA sequences for next year. The BoD first saw
them a few hours before we did, and it became clear during the BoD meeting that
they needed a separate meeting to discuss and vet them. Significant discussion
centered around the proposal for a Master's class finals. That isn't
contemplated in the Sequence guide, and there hasn't been any decision on
putting that before the membership or not. According to Joe, neither he,
nor other members of the BoD knew that a finals sequence would be
proposed, total surprise. Obviously, to get feedback to make necessary changes,
get approval from the membership, final approval by the BoD and to publish all
of the new sequences by years end is going to be tough. Joe clearly understands
that challenge. In addition, he said he recalls no discussion one way or
the other during the BoD meeting about distributing what they got from the
sequence committee to the general membership. I told him I felt that the sooner
they get feedback the better, and he agreed. Constructive feedback to Joe or
your District VP is encouraged. I know there have been some personal issues
that resulted from the distribution of the sequences, and Joe and others are
working to correct those problems. I hope they can be resolved also. Those
involved will know what I'm talking about.</span></font><font size=2
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still is not clear to me, and I think Joe, why the sequences we're developed in
such secrecy. This definitely didn't help the current controversy. I told
Joe that drafts should have been out months ago for comment. He agreed that
this needs to be the process going forward, and the procedure guide for
developing the sequences may need clarification for timelines and transparency.</span></font><font
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of the things I faced, and Joe is facing, is loss of corporate knowledge
anytime there is new leadership in charge. This is especially true of volunteer
organizations with no central office. I have some things I think can help, and
I will make sure Joe gets them. If you have old files or other information you
think might benefit him or the BoD, please contact him.</span></font><font
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emphasized to Joe the need for fast communication on hot topics, even to say
they're working on it, and will get back to us. He gets it, and I think being
on this list he will get and can react to the hot issues of the moment.</span></font><font
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I agree with everything Joe said and the BoDs actions? Of course not; I'd be
surprised if I did. Pattern fliers are, if nothing else, opinionated SOB's. Can
they do better, especially with communication? Surely, and I think Joe gets
that. And I'm going to try to improve my communication with Joe and my DVP,
Larry Kauffman, before I express displeasure here.</span></font><font size=2
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