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    <div style="font-size: 10pt;"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">Everyone wonders why participation is dropping in pattern...all you have to do is read these posts to get a good idea !!</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">Flying model airplanes is supposed to be for fun but it seems like a lot of people have forgotten that !!</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br></div><div id="SignatureBox" dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;font-size:9pt;font-style:italic;">Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone</div></div></div><div style="font-size: 10pt;"><div id="LGEmailHeader" dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">------ Original message------</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>From: </b>Joe Walker via NSRCA-discus
 sion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>Date: </b>Tue, Jun 20, 2017 3:47 PM</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>To: </b>John Gayer;Scott McHarg;NSRCA Mailing List;General pattern discussion;</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>Cc: </b></div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / New Sequences - My thoughts - Long</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br></div></div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264087" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264466"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264553">Good afternoon John,</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1
 497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264088"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264557">I'm not certain that the entirety of the board subscribes to the list, but I'm here now and it is a voluntary discussion list.  It's also not the only way to communicate, so if there is a hot topic you would like to see immediate action on, please send an email to the person you are desiring to connect with.  Or better yet, a phone call.  I can tell you now from experience that it sure does fill up your inbox in a hurry!  My preference would be to change to a platform that is a bit more in line with the rest of the world, but I'm certain that will stir up another thread, thus contributing more to the inbox influx, so I'll save that for another time ;-). </font></span><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264835"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264836">I can also say definitively that engaging every post is a
 n <b><i>enormous</i></b> time </font></span><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264837">commitment.  People like to type!</font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264800"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264799">I think there have been many great suggestions on a variety of topics.  I'm certainly on board with several great ideas and have been, and will continue to be an advocate for reasonable discussion with suggestions to make what we do more fun for everyone.</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div dir=
 "ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264464"><font size="3">Best,</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264089"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264463"><font size="3" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_264555">Joe Walker</font></span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;" dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;" dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:09 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org< a="">> wrote:</nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<></a><br></font></div>  <br><br> <div class="y_msg
 _container" dir="ltr"><div id="yiv5567556157" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">    Scott,<br clear="none">    <br clear="none">    I can only ask why the board is not subscribed to this list?<br clear="none">    That is how you keep a finger on the pulse of the membership (or at    least the vocal parts of it). Not the only way, of course.<br clear="none">    <br clear="none">    There is no requirement to respond or take action on anything the    board or committee members read here but the threads exist to be    pursued and ideas presented that may strike a chord.<br clear="none">    <br clear="none">    Not everything here has been negative. Many positive suggestions    have been made. <br clear="none">    <br clear="none">    I'm sure the board could issue a waiver to the two year rule for    Masters if they want to.  Or just change one maneuver, or two. I    have candidates. :=)  Probably need to do that for Sportsman as    well.<br clear="none">    <br clear="none">    John<
 br clear="none">    <br clear="none">    <div class="yiv5567556157yqt6314894048" id="yiv5567556157yqt28817" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv5567556157moz-cite-prefix" dir="ltr">On 6/20/2017 7:51 AM, Scott McHarg      wrote:<br clear="none">    </div>    <blockquote type="cite">      <div dir="ltr">        <div class="yiv5567556157gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;" dir="ltr">Sorry, I would          like to rephrase my last sentence.  I'd like to blame          auto-correct but, I don't think that'll work in this case.           Sorry people.</div>        <div class="yiv5567556157gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;" dir="ltr"><br clear="none">        </div>        <div class="yiv5567556157gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;" dir="ltr">"Truly, great          comments all around but if it's not being recognized or seen          by those that can change it, what's the point?"</div>      </div>      <
 div class="yiv5567556157gmail_extra" dir="ltr"><br clear="all">        <div dir="ltr">          <div class="yiv5567556157gmail_signature" dir="ltr">            <div dir="ltr">              <div dir="ltr">                <div dir="ltr">                  <div dir="ltr">                    <div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255);"><font style="font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br clear="none">                      <div dir="ltr">VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div>                      <div dir="ltr">Texas A&M University</div>                      <div dir="ltr">PPL - ASEL</div>                      <div dir="ltr">Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107</div>                    </div>                  </div>                </div>              </div>            </div>          </div>        </div>        <br clear="none">        <div class="yiv5567556157gmail_quote" dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Scott          McHa
 rg <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>></span>          wrote:<br clear="none">          <blockquote class="yiv5567556157gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">            <div dir="ltr">              <div class="yiv5567556157gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;" dir="ltr">It's one                thing for us to debate a proposed sequence that hasn't                even been approved by the board for public comment that                got out by accident and quite another thing to break the                AMA Rules stipulating that we do change Masters at least                once every 2 years.  I'm all in favor of this discussion                but wouldn't it make sense that we make sure our board                was picking up what we're putting down?  Truly, great           
      comments all around but if it's being ignored by those                that can change it, what's the point?</div>            </div>            <div class="yiv5567556157gmail_extra" dir="ltr"><br clear="all">              <div dir="ltr">                <div class="yiv5567556157m_1189108883163141717gmail_signature" dir="ltr">                  <div dir="ltr">                    <div dir="ltr">                      <div dir="ltr">                        <div dir="ltr">                          <div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255);"><font style="font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br clear="none">                            <div dir="ltr">VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div>                            <div dir="ltr">Texas A&M University</div>                            <div dir="ltr">PPL - ASEL</div>                            <div dir="ltr">Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part                              107</div>        
                   </div>                        </div>                      </div>                    </div>                  </div>                </div>              </div>              <div dir="ltr">                <div class="yiv5567556157h5" dir="ltr">                  <br clear="none">                  <div class="yiv5567556157gmail_quote" dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:35                    AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca. org</a>></span>                    wrote:<br clear="none">                    <blockquote class="yiv5567556157gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">The                      Sequence Committee and the entire Sequence                      Development Guide was established for the NSRCA to                  
     create the schedules used in the AMA Pattern                      event. I believe the establishment of that process                      was key in getting the rules changed to where the                      NSRCA had control of the patterns, not the AMA R/C                      Aerobatics Contest Board. Are we supposed to just                      forget all that because the ball was dropped this                      cycle? I think the better option since we can no                      longer follow the established schedule is to not                      change the patterns for this cycle. What's the                      worst that could happen? Everyone gets better at                      flying them and newcomers to a class get a break?<br clear="none">                      <br clear="none">                      I don't understand your idea of forming another                      committee. Don't we already have a Sequence                      Committee and a Rules Committee
 ? Seems like they                      are there to do what you are talking about. Of                      course it also seems like not much was done about                      submitting rules proposals from the NSRCA this                      cycle. But maybe I am not aware of why that                      happened.<br clear="none">                      <br clear="none">                      All in favor of eliminating the weight rule and                      allowing 12S. But that really is another story.<br clear="none">                      <br clear="none">                      Tony Frackowiak<br clear="none">                      <div dir="ltr">                        <div class="yiv5567556157m_1189108883163141717h5" dir="ltr"><br clear="none">                          On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:31 PM, John Gayer via                          NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br clear="none">                          <br clear="none">                          ><br clear="none">          
                 > I find it interesting that when we                          discuss using sequences developed and used                          internationally there is substantial                          resistance and a lot of not invented here,                          loss of control, etc. We can certainly                          overcome the loss of control by keeping a                          modification capability when we encounter                          something undesirable in a  sequence we want                          to use. Not invented here can save us a lot of                          work,<br clear="none">                          ><br clear="none">                          > On the other hand, when we talking about                          rewriting rules for using 12S batteries or                          eliminating/reducing weight restrictions for                          AMA classes, there is a hue and cry that we                          
 have to stay in lockstep with FAI or the sky                          will fall.<br clear="none">                          ><br clear="none">                          > I don't understand either position. We                          should take advantage of work done around the                          world but not be bound to it. If we can build                          a better mousetrap for less money, that's                          great. If we can't, then take advantage of                          published and available work wherever it comes                          from. P19 is not terribly exciting but it is                          easier than either the current or the new                          Masters sequence.<br clear="none">                          ><br clear="none">                          > Keeping that in mind, I suggest we accept                          P19 as the Masters schedule for next year only                          on a trial basis.<br 
 clear="none">                          > In the meantime, a committee should be                          formed to formulate a plan for future                          sequences.  The three sequence rotation makes                          a lot of sense to me for Sportsman and                          Intermediate. Advanced could go that way too                          but probably should adapt to whatever longterm                          plan is adopted for Masters. I would suggest                          having forms available at contest to survey                          contestants throughout the year about their                          sequences.<br clear="none">                          > At the end of the year, the committee                          would publish recommendations for how to                          generate sequences for all classes. A                          recommendation I could make right now is that                          the board ensur
 es the committee adheres to the                          guidelines and charter. The committee could                          make changes to the documents but would need                          board approval for those changes prior to                          implementation or ask for a waiver.<br clear="none">                          ><br clear="none">                          > John<br clear="none">                        </div>                      </div>                      > ______________________________ _________________<br clear="none">                      > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br clear="none">                      > <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.o rg</a><br clear="none">                      > <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussio
 n">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman /listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br clear="none">                      <br clear="none">                      ______________________________ _________________<br clear="none">                      NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br clear="none">                      <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.o rg</a><br clear="none">                      <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman /listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br clear="none">                    </blockquote>                  </div>                  <br clear="none">                </div>              </div>            </div>          </blockquote>        </div>        <br clear="none">      </div>    </blockquote></div>    <br clear="none">  </div></div><div cl
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