<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well, they're not doing it with pipes and retracts yet. But if SPA was here I would be there, with whatever model I would need. But between myself, Robert Fish and Mike & Jean Greear we have 4 CPA contests at my home field. With Roberts Get-Together in Perris and the Classic contest in Prado that makes 6. Build it and they will come!<div><br></div><div>Tony Frackowiak</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:32 PM, <<a href="mailto:wayg2013@gmail.com">wayg2013@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div>SPA is doing that now... there are 5 SPA contests in the DFW
area alone. I couldn’t do 5 AMA Pattern events within 3-6hrs of here
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:26 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="obergc@cox.net">Curt Oberg</a> </div>
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NATs,sequence proposals, and other NSRCA issues.</div></div></div>
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<div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"">If we're not careful,
perhaps AMA pattern will evolve back into Curare's with retracts and a
screaming piped .61 glow powered engine up front with a single maneuver each
pass. Who knows?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"">Curt
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:personname w:st="on">Frackowiak <st1:personname w:st="on">Tony</st1:personname></st1:personname> via
NSRCA-discussion<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:20 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Joe Walker; <st1:personname w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:personname><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] LONG
conversation with Joe Walker on NATs,sequence proposals, and other NSRCA
issues.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">OK, hears another "years ago" story. Years ago when
you pulled out a pattern plane at the local club field, it was the center of
attention. It was exciting to see and to watch fly. But over those years we
have slowly legislated pattern in to organized boredom. Our planes to us are
marvels of technology but to the average guy they are dull. We have to be so
quiet and our box requirements make us fly too far away. Like watching paint
dry if you're not in to it. Heck, at a pattern contest just look and see how
many are watching the flights. It pretty much comes down to just the
judges.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In IMAC the planes are exciting. Somewhat scale, and
everybody likes that. Really big, so take it to the local field and you get
attention. They are flown closer for the most part so that's cool. And they
make some noise! Again, cool! I fly some times at <st1:place w:st="on">Bear
Mountain</st1:place> and they hold one of the biggest IMAC meets in this area.
The majority of the flying on a weekend is large, IMAC type models. But you
rarely see anyone practicing IMAC. They are all out flying their IMAC models
3D. Very little actual pattern practice. They do that the weekend before a
contest. So large, loud, scale 3D flying is exciting to the club members. If
they are thinking about doing any kind of competition that is where 90% will
go, to IMAC.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There also was a time that pattern was a lot more blue
collar then it is now. The planes were not that much more expensive then a
good sport model. Those days are long gone, and so are the majority of the
blue collars. With the expense of the equipment plus the expense of attending
weekend contests, it is out of their reach. And if you're a white collar guy
who can afford it, IMAC looks like a lot more satisfying then pattern. Plus at
the local club field you can get a lot more attention. Very ego
satisfying.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Just my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><st1:personname w:st="on"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tony</span></font></st1:personname> Frackowiak
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 20, 2017, at 10:21 AM, Joe Walker via
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Rick,</span></font><font color="black" size="1" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497897629933_149545">
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you've hit the nail on the head. I would agree that it is not the
difficulty level that affects participation for most people, nor is it
cost. It's really the return on investment. If you are enjoying
the experience, you are willing to make choices that take away time and money
from other activities to dedicate to this activity. Proof in the putting
is IMAC, for me locally. They regularly have contests that are 30+
people, more of them, all in the southeast, their planes cost 2-3x (not to
mention the rigs to haul them around) AND their sequences are much more
challenging at the lower class levels. IE, they have rollers in
intermediate. I realize that IMAC isn't popular in other parts of the
country, but might that be because those other parts of the country don't have
the concentration of pilots to make it fun? </span></font><font color="black" size="1" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div>
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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:05 AM, rixsweeney--- via NSRCA-discussion
<<a>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; BACKGROUND: white"><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font> </p>
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experience was when all events occurred, glad I got to experience it. My next
NATS experience was when it was just a Pattern NATS. Seemed a bit dull in
comparison. I really missed it.
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</span></font></b><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><a shape="rect" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">John Gayer via
NSRCA-discussion</a><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:
</span></b>Monday, June 19, 2017 11:48 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </span></b><a shape="rect" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Ronald Van Putte via
NSRCA-discussion</a><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:
</span></b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] LONG conversation with Joe Walker on
NATs,sequence proposals, and other NSRCA
issues<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div>
<div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black">I expect it
goes back to when all the events were happening at once, in one town or base,
at multiple sites. Then you would need a CD to have overall authority to
resolve conflicts over all the events and their EDs. Those were the days when
you could <i><span style="FONT-STYLE: italic">feel</span></i> the
dynajets firing up over at the controlline speed circles and you might lose
electrical power because a combat flyaway trailed its lines over a power line.
There was no time for practice, too much to see. All of modelings best, in one
place, at one time. <br><br>John<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black">On 6/18/2017
10:09 PM, Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black">I don’t know
when ED was first used by AMA to designate an event director, but I was the
R/C Aerobatics event director for the 1996 and 1997 Nats in <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Muncie</st1:place></st1:city>, so it
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black">On Jun 18,
2017, at 4:52 PM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <<a shape="rect" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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help me understand where the term ED comes from. Since I can’t find it on
the AMA website, I assume that it must be an NSRCA term documented in our
Procedures, By-Laws, or something.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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Definitions:</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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– Contest Director:</span></font></u></b><span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: #1f497d"> </span></font></span><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: #1f497d">For all
rule book sanction events. Must be identified on the AMA Sanction
Application. Cannot be changed by anyone other than by the AMA or through
resignation.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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Manager:</span></font></u></b><span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: #1f497d"> </span></font></span><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: #1f497d">For all
Non-Rule Book Sanctioned events.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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does not seem to identify an “Event Director” in the Sanction Application
or on the AMA website. So where does it come from?</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: #1f497d">The AMA
clearly states if you have an AMA rule-book event, you must have a CD, end
of story. Nowhere on the Sanction Application is it stipulated for an ED.
There are 15 times Director is in the form, all of which is the CD.
In reviewing the Sanction Application, there are no previsions for a
Co-Contest Director.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: #1f497d">Who
completed and signed the Sanction Application? If it is Al Glenn, then he
is legally bound to the Sanction and our AMA insurance coverage depends on
it. If it somebody else, then they are. If the NSRCA wishes to appoint an
Event Director, it is my opinion that it becomes a supporting role to the
CD. The CD is overall responsible for the contest to the AMA exclusively
and to adhere to all AMA regulations and rules. I believe if there is a
conflict between the NSRCA and the AMA, the AMA documentation
prevails.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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attempt to circumvent the AMA sanction by appointing somebody over a
registered CD, becomes a disaster. I’m not an attorney and somebody who is
should help clarify, as there becomes a risk of liability in the event of
property damage or personal injury. Even a new out of school attorney
wouldn’t have much of a problem with that case. At the top of the
liability ring would be the NSRCA, and the AMA for allowing such a
disaster to occur.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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another note, the NSCRA BoD either individually or collectively has
disenfranchised at least two NSRCA members for doing the right thing. Both
have served the NSRCA with Honor and dignity. To them, I personally
apologize for the way the NSRCA has treated you this past few weeks. I
thank you for your courage, humility, and dedication.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><b><u><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: black">Joe
Walker</span></font></u></b><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: #1f497d">, this is
on you. You are our President and the leader of the BoD. From my point of
view, taking a path of ignorance does show the reason for this fiasco, but
more importantly<span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"> </span><u>it does not show
ownership of the situation at hand</u>. You accepted the role, you own it.
Please take immediate control.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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the website chatter is noise. Has no relevance to the situation other than
to deflect responsibility of the NSRCA Leadership. Doesn’t sit well with
me. Most likely because of my Military background.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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I believe in you as well as the others on the BoD. I believe you will
right this ship (sorry, retired Navy guy here). You have zero time to get
it done.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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the NATs, The registered CD is in charge and we [NSRCA] must let the CD
take control. It may be better to use the same contest format as last year
as we are out of time to implement changes without disenfranchising
members who either will or are planning to attend.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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the rant, but it is my .02</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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Regards,</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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Diamond</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div>
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[<a shape="rect" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><font color="purple"><span style="COLOR: purple">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></font></a>]<span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of<span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Joe
Walker via NSRCA-discussion<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b><span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, June 18,
2017 2:08 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b><span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">Frackowiak <st1:personname w:st="on">Tony</st1:personname></st1:personname> <<a shape="rect" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net"><font color="purple"><span style="COLOR: purple">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</span></font></a>>;
<st1:personname w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:personname>
<<a shape="rect" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><font color="purple"><span style="COLOR: purple">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></font></a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b><span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"> </span>John Gayer <<a shape="rect" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:west.engineering@comcast.net"><font color="purple"><span style="COLOR: purple">west.engineering@comcast.net</span></font></a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b><span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] LONG conversation with Joe Walker on NATs, sequence
proposals, and other NSRCA
issues.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></div>
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the points being brought up and will certainly work hard to ensure that
all guidelines and requirements are met. I must admit, it’s been
difficult searching for information myself, let alone folks who are
seeking guidance that are not directly involved in making decisions that
affect all of us. This fact alone has been a core driver in my
decision to become involved in the organization in more direct
way.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div>
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said, we need to find a path forward that works for the organization as a
whole, and of course the entirety of the membership. There are
innumerable points that we can all get mired in, debate and get irritated
about, but my primary interest is gathering all legacy information,
previous comments, new input, etc., and match the task of clearly
documenting and organizing that information into a useful, and user
friendly format. This serves not only my personal needs to know
where to look, but also serves the membership by having all information
and resources at our fingertips.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><font color="black" size="3" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black">This effort
has started with an overhaul of the website. Through no individual’s
actions, the previous life of the website became a repository of bits and
pieces of these resources, rather than a lean and clear source of
information. Many of these resources are quite useful and had been
meticulously created by NSRCA members over the years. Unfortunately,
some of documents conflict each other and some are silent on issues that
need direction or clarity. Some procedural requirements are missing
all together. Derek Koopowitz has generously donated countless hours
of his personal time and financial resources to develop and maintain the
web presence. His efforts should be commended! <st1:personname w:st="on">Peter Vogel</st1:personname> has spent just as much time
developing and refining content for the website. What we really need
now is a few folks with an eye for detail and are tuned in to procedures
and rules to assist in vetting the information that we have posted and
help create a more comprehensive resource that has reliable information
and links to other regulatory agencies that affect our procedures.
This is a giant task that would go to serve us all well in the
end.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div>
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why I am talking about the website in relation to the sequences or the
format of the Nats topics du jour. Well, it’s all related at the
core of the issues at hand, information. Many of the points that
have been brought up in these discussion forums are completely reasonable
points. We need to get to a place where we are able to distance the
points that are being made from the distracting emotions. For those
that have read my articles in the K-Factor, this theme has been clear and
consistent. I’ve also directly reached out and asked for folks to
email me personally (via the K-Factor articles) with any legacy
information that they feel is missing from the site or the decisions they
see that are being made. We have an opportunity to make course
corrections pretty easily in most cases to adjust the path of a project,
task, or procedure, but this requires assistance from the entire
membership. It especially requires the long term members who have
served in these previous capacities to contribute.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div>
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seeking passionate volunteers to devote their skills and energy towards
making the processes better. I commit to keeping the NSRCA on a forward
trajectory by doing my best to ensure that decisions are followed through
with and tasks are completed. Clearly things will be missed, and I’m
certainly not claiming perfection. I am seeking assistance
though. Are you willing to contribute to a solution to help keep the
NSRCA organized, accessible and responsive to the needs and desires of the
membership? If so, please reach out to me directly and I’m happy to
work together to forge a plan that benefits all of us. I appreciate
the extra effort that Jon Lowe made to speak with me directly and help
turn a situation he was unhappy about into a productive strategy to make
it better. I’m available (mostly…), and I invite folks to give me a
ring. Let’s talk it out and develop a solution together. “The
Board” is not a secret society of folks looking to destroy what we have,
it’s a group of folks who have volunteered their personal time to help
make our weekend fun with toy airplanes more enjoyable by alleviating the
general membership of daunting task of organization. Please reach
out to your DVP’s and help them communicate concerns and ideas that can be
formally presented to the Board for discussion and
approval.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div>
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2017, at 12:47 PM, <st1:personname w:st="on">Frackowiak <st1:personname w:st="on">Tony</st1:personname></st1:personname> via NSRCA-discussion
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you John. Just as a side note. I was on the Sequence Committee for the
previous 2 cycles. I was not informed in any way that I would not still
be on the Sequence Committee. I was also very surprised that the BOD
appointed a Chairperson who had never participated in the process
before. In the past, I believe, the Chair always came from the existing
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2017, at 9:21 AM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion
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<div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black">Jon,<br><br>Relative
to the scheduling of the new sequences, there is a document that
addresses the timeline for the sequence committee. This document is
not on the website, at least not in the logical place under sequence
development. Here is the section about the schedule. This document was
generated in 2012 to separate the functions of the committee from the
sequence development guide which gets some updates every
cycle.<br><br></span></font><font color="#000066" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: #000066">4
Suggested Sequence Submittal Process<br>The following is the
recommended timeline for the development and submission of new
sequences. Sequence<br>development should always start in two years
prior to when the sequence is to be replaced. For example, if
the<br>Masters sequence (2 year lifecycle) is to be replaced in 2015
(X) then work on the development of a new<br>sequence should start in
2013 (X – 2). What follows is a timeline showing the activity (task)
and the month the<br>activity should start:<br>TASK TIMELINE<br>Assign
and approve Committee Chairperson October - year X – 2<br>Committee
Chairperson recruits Committee Membership October – year X - 2<br>BoD
approves Committee Membership November – year X - 2<br>Establish
development schedule December – year X - 2<br>Review design
criteria/receive BoD approval for changes December – year X -
2<br>Develop preliminary changes/sequences and flight test January
through March – year X - 1<br>Publish for public comment on NSRCA
website/K-Factor April through May – year X - 1<br>Finalize
changes/sequence selection based on comments June through August –
year X - 1<br>Submit proposed changes/sequences to BoD for approval
October– year X - 1<br>Publish approved sequences on NSRCA
website/K-Factor November – year X -1<br>New sequences in use January
– year X<br><br></span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black">There
is no question about the requirement for publishing the proposed
sequences. It was supposed to happen the beginning of April. From your
email it appears that neither you or Joe were aware of the
publication requirement or the dates involved. I know you addressed
the lack of continuity between boards in your ppost but I believe the
Committee had this document and should have shared it with the board.
Certainly all past Committee members had a copy.<br><br>There is
another section in this document that addresses the makeup of the
committee and the oversight function of the board.<br><br>2.3
Membership<br>There should be at least six Committee members excluding
the Chairperson and should, if possible, contain at<br>least one
member who is currently competing in each of the AMA classes There
should be representation from<br>as many NSRCA districts as possible
on the committee. Non pilots and non NSRCA members may be<br>committee
members, provided that their qualifications meet the approval of the
Chairperson and the BoD. The<br>Committee shall contain at least one
current member of the BoD. All members of the Committee are
voting<br>members.<br><br>2.5.1 Standard Committee Procedures<br>• The
NSRCA President shall be the primary point of contact for
communications between the<br>Committee Chairperson and the Board on
all matters of directive nature, and for deliverables from<br>the
Committee.<br>• The Chairperson will select members for his/her
committee and propose a team to the BoD.<br>• The BoD will review the
Committee for national (District) balance and representation
across<br>Intermediate through Masters Classes and, if necessary,
provide recommendations on the<br>Committee members to the
Chairperson. The BoD will then vote to accept or reject the
proposed<br>Committee members.<br>• The Chairperson and Committee
members agree to work as a team and reach a consensus on
the<br>Committee’s proposals. They agree to support the Committee’s
proposal and not submit separate<br>proposals on these sequences to
the BoD.<br>• The Committee shall perform their tasks within the
schedule of milestones as defined by the BoD.<br>• The Committee will
produce proposed changes to sequences based on input from the
membership<br>and their experience. The sequences will be published in
the K Factor and on the NSRCA website<br>for review.<br>• The
Committee will coordinate with the Rules/Judging Committee Chairperson
to produce the<br>final proposals, with supporting rationale, to be
approved by the BoD.<br>• Sequences for Sportsman, Intermediate,
Advanced and Masters Class will be developed for<br>presentation to
and review by the precision aerobatics community on the NSRCA website.
New<br>sequences may not necessarily be presented for all
classes.<br><br>I have cherry-picked the pertinent sections from the
document but have also attached the complete document. It's
pretty clear that the directives contained here were not followed. The
current committee makeup does not conform to the document in terms of
consensus, geographical distribution, number of members or the
requirement for a current board member.<br><br>On another subject, It
is my understanding from when I was on the board that the NSRCA board
proposes the ED to the AMA. Once that is done, the ED
responsibility is to the AMA not the NSRCA. At that point, the
NSRCA no longer has any authority over the ED. If that is still the
case, how is the<span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"> </span><i><span style="FONT-STYLE: italic">board</span></i><span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"> </span>creating Co-EDs
or changing the ED? And directing change to the finals from the
originally published setup when this is solely up to the ED? It is
very late to be running surveys and reevaluating procedures with the
start barely a month away. Even the survey itself seems to be
problematic. I've attended four of the last six Nats, year before last
in Masters but didn't qualify for the survey?<span class="yiv2636503680apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Also we
are finding out that the F3A finals have been changed back to the
normal format. We find this out because Jon had a long conversation
with Joe and posted on the list? I can't find anything on the website
about the Co-CD change, the survey, the change to the F3A final or
what's going on with the sequence committee, committee members or
committee members that have resigned and been replaced. The Masters
finals sequence that was developed without establishing any sequence
guidelines( at least not that were published) or buyin from the
board is a case in point of the lack of transparency of the current
committee.<br><br>John Gayer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div>
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and I had a LONG conversation Saturday about the NATS, sequences,
and NSRCA in general. This email is what I heard based on that
conversation and he knows I'm writing this. I've known Joe for a
number of years, and we are good friends, so we had a very frank
discussion. I don't think I swallowed any koolade, but you be the
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though, I am as guilty as anyone in reacting to stuff on this
discussion list, without picking up the phone or calling people
directly. No excuse, but modern media at work. I should know, as a
past president of NSRCA, how hard it can be to get to ground truth
sometimes, and to make sure accurate info is distributed. For that,
I apologize.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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thing I didn't realize, was that until yesterday, Joe was not on
this discussion list. He's primarily used the NSRCA Facebook page.
He's catching up now with all of the discussions here over the past
couple of weeks.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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probably seen by now the letter on Mike Harrison and Al Glenn being
co-EDs for the NATS. Joe realizes that decision and clarification
had not been made either to them, the NSRCA BoD, or the membership,
and it wasn't documented on the NSRCA website. Joe and the BoD are
working on remedies to make sure oversights like that don't happen
again. The BoD meeting was a couple of nights ago, and it was
clarified then, and put out to the membership.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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changes to the format of the NATS was also discussed. The final
format is the EDs call, as long as it is by the rule book. But as I
reminded Joe, the finals for Masters was eliminated a couple of
years ago to great hue and cry when it was unnecessary to use the
matrix system, and was reinstated the following year. So tread
carefully. He pointed out that this year's NATS is trying something
that hasn't been done in years, and that some changes happen as a
result. This should have been better communicated to the membership.
The survey that went out yesterday was to affected entrants to last
year's and this year's NATS. However, if the changes to the
finals are affecting your decision on whether or not to enter the
NATS, I urge you to contact Joe. His email and phone number are in
the back of any KFactor. He did say that so far the survey is about
80% for the shortened Masters finals. I don't know though how many
responses he's received. Incidentally, FAI has reverted to a 2-F, 2-
unknown finals format, according to Joe.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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realizes that NSRCA and the membership is in a time crunch for
vetting and getting approval for the new AMA sequences for next
year. The BoD first saw them a few hours before we did, and it
became clear during the BoD meeting that they needed a separate
meeting to discuss and vet them. Significant discussion centered
around the proposal for a Master's class finals. That isn't
contemplated in the Sequence guide, and there hasn't been any
decision on putting that before the membership or not.
According to Joe, neither he, nor other members of the BoD
knew that a finals sequence would be proposed, total surprise.
Obviously, to get feedback to make necessary changes, get approval
from the membership, final approval by the BoD and to publish all of
the new sequences by years end is going to be tough. Joe clearly
understands that challenge. In addition, he said he recalls no
discussion one way or the other during the BoD meeting about
distributing what they got from the sequence committee to the
general membership. I told him I felt that the sooner they get
feedback the better, and he agreed. Constructive feedback to Joe or
your District VP is encouraged. I know there have been some personal
issues that resulted from the distribution of the sequences, and Joe
and others are working to correct those problems. I hope they can be
resolved also. Those involved will know what I'm talking
about.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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still is not clear to me, and I think Joe, why the sequences we're
developed in such secrecy. This definitely didn't help the
current controversy. I told Joe that drafts should have been out
months ago for comment. He agreed that this needs to be the process
going forward, and the procedure guide for developing the sequences
may need clarification for timelines and
transparency.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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the things I faced, and Joe is facing, is loss of corporate
knowledge anytime there is new leadership in charge. This is
especially true of volunteer organizations with no central office. I
have some things I think can help, and I will make sure Joe gets
them. If you have old files or other information you think might
benefit him or the BoD, please contact him.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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emphasized to Joe the need for fast communication on hot topics,
even to say they're working on it, and will get back to us. He gets
it, and I think being on this list he will get and can react to the
hot issues of the moment.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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agree with everything Joe said and the BoDs actions? Of course not;
I'd be surprised if I did. Pattern fliers are, if nothing else,
opinionated SOB's. Can they do better, especially with
communication? Surely, and I think Joe gets that. And I'm going to
try to improve my communication with Joe and my DVP, Larry Kauffman,
before I express displeasure here.</span></font><font color="black" size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: helvetica; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div>
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