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Dave,<br>
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The previous two sequence committees under Dale Olstinske made a
definite effort to comply with the guidelines for setting up the
committee. There were committee members from most districts and I
believe all classes were covered, including Sportsman. There was a
definite effort to comply with the specific sequence guidelines for
each class. It's possible that something fell in the cracks but I
doubt it. There were a lot of eyes looking for guideline violations.<br>
As has been the history of a number of sequence committees, the
guidelines were modified to incorporate some new maneuvers. Also,
the guidelines were changed and approved by the committee and the
board to allow simple roll/loop combinations. No such maneuvers were
incorporated until the following cycle so there was springing of
previously illegal maneuvers all in one cycle. <br>
<br>
Which brings us to the current committee and there I agree with you
about both charter and guideline violations.<br>
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When you refer to P and F for Masters, Are those the international
symbols or strictly local for Masters dedicated sequences? I haven't
heard of anyone supporting using both FAI p and f sequences for
masters. For that matter, I don't know who, aside from the current
sequence committee, is in favor of using two sequences in Masters at
all. I'm certainly not.<br>
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I am in favor of using the FAI "P" for Masters, particularly if we
can avoid this major bruhaha every two years. All the other classes
tend to shut up and go fly their new sequence.<br>
<br>
John<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/19/2017 10:30 AM, DaveL322 via
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<div>I think in part what these recent discussions have missed is
the simple fact that we have a very detailed document originally
prepared based on a survey of the membership. I think it is a
very reasonable expectation of the membership that the
organization follow the rules. </div>
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<div>To my eye, the last several iterations of the sequence
committee have not followed the sequence guidance document(s).
Sequences proposed should be compliant with the guidance. The
guidance document should not be changed after the fact to match
the sequences. Changes to the guidance document for the
purposes of clerical / clarification / consistency can and
should made by the seq com, and updates to varieties of
permitted maneuvers should be made. No other changes should be
made without direction, consensus, approval from the membership
as a whole.</div>
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<div>The precious time of our volunteers should not be spent
developing ideas that the organization as a whole may or may not
support. Ad hoc sales pitch last minute surveys to a limited
segment of the membership is not an accurate or effective way to
determine the desires of the membership. </div>
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<div>If I can ask a question of the current and probable Masters
pilots that support the idea of P and F for Masters..... Why are
you not moving to F3A? </div>
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<div>To: Richard Wallace <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rickwallace45@gmail.com"><rickwallace45@gmail.com></a> </div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / New
Sequences - My thoughts - Long </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">I think that
we are almost in a place for sequence development that the
committee just cannot do right. There is a push to continue
to increase the difficulty of Masters to "try" and keep up
with FAI (good luck). But for every action, there's an equal
and opposite reaction. You are correct in that increasing
difficulty in Masters almost makes you increase the difficulty
in the other classes just to maintain an increase that is
acceptable between classes and not some huge hurdle that is
insurmountable. This has been the battle for ever. </div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">In D7, they
have the numbers to fly a 6th class that they call "FAI
Silver". Essentially, this is a class between AMA Masters and
FAI in which they simply fly the P pattern. Personally, I
LOVE this idea. It allows those wishing to move up to FAI
eventually a much easier way of actually making this step by
flying P and then, preferably on off-years, start flying FAI
full time as you would then only have to learn 1 pattern (F).
In a perfect world, this would certainly be the answer.
Unfortunately, we are far from that world. The argument
against a 6th class is the amount of Masters and FAI
participants doesn't allow for that class to be created in
most districts (although I feel that the strong Masters pilots
and the (please forgive the term) lower FAI pilots would move
to this class to be competitive), the cost for a club to add a
6th class may not be profitable, the judging could potentially
cause an issue (although I see many ways this would be OK),
etc. I definitely understand why, in our present state, it
does not make sense to create this class but it sure as heck
seems like it works in D7. If it were here in D6, I'd make
that step. I feel that my skills aren't close to being
competitive in any sense of the word in F but, one day, I'll
get there. I do feel like I could compete in P. Why don't I
just step up to fly FAI and only fly P now? There is no way I
could win or place at a contest only flying P and I'd have to
essentially miss 2 flights on Sunday or just fly P for no
reason while everyone else flew F. You must fly F to be
competitive and I definitely do this to compete and be
competitive. It is my sport. When I finally do move up, do I
expect to win and place right away? Heck no but I also would
like to be able to get through without a zero. Unfortunately,
that in itself is an accomplishment in F.</div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">It is also my
opinion that P15, 17, and 19 are easier than our current
Masters sequence and certainly, what was initially proposed
this year (I hope we see another iteration which I'm sure we
will). Following this "average" of P over the last 6 years
actually would solve many problems in my opinion. As Mark
explained, if a Pxx was to have a Barrel Roll in it, the
Sequence Committee could simply put something else in its
place. Hard maneuver not suitable for Masters taken out and
solved. I have no problem with Masters being a destination
class. Actually, I have no problem with Intermediate being a
destination class IF that's where someone feels most
comfortable and, most importantly, continues to participate.
There's the problem of a sandbagger in that case (heck it's
there in Masters) but, honestly, if they want to sandbag, we
need to simply get better to beat that person and when we do,
we probably have a better chance of being better in the next
class as well. I remember back in '93 and '94 when Rusty
Fried used to dominate the Masters class. I was all of 23 and
it pissed me off he wouldn't move up and let the rest of us
have a chance to win. I told him one day and I'll never
forget what he said. He said "Scott, consider me a barrier to
the next level. When you beat me, you're ready for the next
class. Until then, take your whoopin and keep practicing".
Much to my chagrin, he was right. I never did beat him at a
contest but it did push me to be able to take a round from him
now and then and that was a great accomplishment. I had
gotten better. I do also understand how this could be a
detriment to others attending that don't have the drive that I
did/do to keep after it. As I stated at the beginning, I'm
not so sure one solution is going to serve everyone perfectly.</div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">All this to
say, there are several ways to skin a cat. There are pros and
cons to each. With the complexity of what is being proposed
versus the fairly steady consistency of P over the years, it's
at least something for this board to consider. After all,
that's all we're asking for; consideration. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div>Texas A&M University</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:01 AM,
Richard Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Scott, all - <br>
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This is quite a discussion - and it seems there
are some major points of agreement here - as well
as some triggers for introspection and
re-examination about why folks do the "Pattern"
thing. <br>
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I'm one of those who no longer flies competitively,
after being pretty active for a decade. I was never
really competitive in Pattern, but had a great time,
made some true friends, and became a MUCH better R/C
pilot through my few thousand practice and contest
flights. I wanted to share share some thoughts about
staying in Pattern, and about sequence design, and
... stuff. <br>
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I stayed in Pattern for more than a decade because it
was a challenge that seemed (for the first years)
achievable. I certainly got better as i flew more, and
had some limited success at local contests (never at
the Nats, tho that was fun too for a long time) - and
again, it was FUN hanging out with, and competing
against the local gang. I even had fun as a DVP for a
few of those years, and hopefully made a difference
while in that position. <br>
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A few things piled up later on to make Pattern less fun.
First, my job moved me to a new area where there is
little Pattern activity. <br>
<br>
Second, the move from Glow to Electric turned out to be
quite a change - "Tradin' in my WIndex for a Generator"
turned out to require a new mindset, different skills
(power / mah management!), equipment, etc, and a
different approach to casual flying - hard to decide on
Saturday morning to go out to the field if you didn't
invest part of Friday night charging batteries... <br>
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<div>Third, I realized that I probably had some hard
limitations on physical ability (involving depth
perception / distance - judging capability at 150m at
speed...) <br>
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<div>And changing sequences... both a blessing and a
curse... Dave Lockhart, Joey Lachowski and others on the
first Sequence Committees laid down some great
guidelines, and I really enjoyed flying the sequences
they proposed and created. But.... it did get to be
more work to stretch to each of the new sequences as
they came out. This is a good thing, I'm sure, up to a
point. <br>
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<div>All this, and consistent "also-ran" results at local
Masters contests (and bottom of the field results at the
Nats) despite the practice and time and $$ spent, made
me decide over time that there might be better ways to
spend my leisure time... <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Anyway, the final thought about sequences is that
Rick the former mediocre, run of the mill Pattern pilot
believes that Masters is <b>and should remain</b> a
true destination class, rather than some kind of
stepping stone to whatever the FAI puts out from cycle
to cycle. The FAI - aspiring pilots will get there on
their own, without an ever-tougher US Masters class as a
stepping stone (and besides - if Masters gets tougher,
then doesn't that <b>mandate</b> tougher Intermediate
and advanced sequences as US Pattern stepping
stones???). <br>
<br>
I was a below-average Masters pilot who loved flying and
hanging out and judging (even those impossible P and F
sequences!) ... but never had any desire at all to get
proficient in rolling loops or circles or that kind of
stuff <b>as part of a graded sequence</b>. I'll mess
with them with a sport plane, sure, but just don't want
to be required to fly them with my main competition
bird under all the possible weather conditions we'd
compete in... <br>
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<div>Staying in the NSRCA? <br>
</div>
<div> - Is the local pattern group fun to hang out
with? <br>
</div>
<div> - Are there contests within reasonable driving
distance? <br>
</div>
<div> - Is the NSRCA leadership visible and
accessible? Can a guy just talk to them?<br>
</div>
<div> - Is what they're doing visible to the members?
(this whole discussion thread may shed some light on
that... ???) <br>
</div>
<div> - Is there a way for the Board to find out
periodically what the members are thinking /
wanting/ needing? (and this set probably looks
different for different age / skill / interest /
$$-equipped groups) <br>
</div>
<div> - What does the NSRCA add to the Pattern
experience of the local pattern guy? - or the guy
who's considering trying pattern out? <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for listening, those of you still carrying
the torch - maybe I'll see you on the flightline
sometime!<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Exiting the (soap)box! <br>
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<div>Rick Wallace <br>
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<div>(Former) NSRCA 2792<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:10 PM,
Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>></span>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">Mark
and I spent some time yesterday talking about all
of this being discussed. I am completely on board
with his proposal(s) personally and, to be honest,
it would be nice to hear from the board on these
matters. I'd like to thank Anthony Romano for
saying something to this discussion. I do think
it's important for us to remember that Scott
McNickle put these "proposed" sequences out to his
district for comment (as we are all doing) but <u><b>prior</b></u>
to the BoD even having a discussion about these
for submission to the populace. It is possible
the BoD may reject this in part or in whole. What
has come out is the first step. The second step
is for the BoD to make a decision if it's even
something they want to put out for us to decide if
we like it or not. Then, we get our hands on it
and have our say-so. In essence, I think we
should give the BoD a chance to filter through the
information. These are not what the BoD has
approved for our digestion, merely, a proposal
from a committee.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">Lastly,
I've been thinking a lot about the pattern
community and why its membership is declining. We
spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to
get new blood in to increase attendance. I think
it's important, as some have eluded to, to
concentrate to some extent on keeping those
involved in pattern happy and involved.
Attendance has always come in waves. Some years
we have a ton in the lower classes followed by
lower attendance in those classes. It's been the
norm forever. What I see happening now is that
does indeed continue. The problem is the decline
in the upper classes. Our staunch supporters and
purveyors of pattern on packing it up and doing
something else. We no longer have a jam in
Masters at every contest and this holds true even
in FAI while Advanced and Intermediate thrive at
about the normal average. Just have a look at the
NATS registration in Masters for proof. Maybe our
thoughts need to turn more to keeping our members
that have been flying forever. The most
attractive thing to a newcomer isn't what plane is
being flown or whose sandbagging. It's looking
around the pit area and seeing everyone having a
great time and taking interest in what's in the
air and whose flying. Who has smiles on their
face versus what group is huddled together
complaining about the complexities of political
BS. If I were new to this sport and the people
that have been doing this a while...the people I
should be looking up to...are all disgruntled by
what's going on, I'm not too sure I'd want to be a
part of that and become "grumpy" about my sport
that I was considering.</div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">I
suggest turning to the folks that are in the sport
and enjoy it and see how to keep them. This, in
turn, will actually help bring in new folks as
well. People enjoying what they do instead of
wanting to get out will surely attract more than
the other way.</div>
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<div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research
Pilot</div>
<div>Texas A&M University</div>
<div>PPL - ASEL</div>
<div>Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA
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10:42 AM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <span
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<p>From my experience in the past we had
a bunch of people who were supposed to
participate in the sequence
development process. It always wound
up being a hand full doing all the
work and the rest looking in or not
even participating like they should
have. It was frustrating to see.<br>
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My thoughts - Long</div>
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<div>I was told it is Sean (D8-
Masters), his friend Derek
Emmett (D7 - Masters), Stuart
Chale (?) and Jim Hiller (?).
Sorry, I don't know the
districts and classes of Stuart
and Jim. But this in itself
seems against the norms. Only 4
members? 2 of which as far as I
know are from the west coast.
Really improper.
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<div>On Jun 16, 2017, at
7:09 AM, Jon Lowe via
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<p dir="ltr">Anthony,<br>
Who is on the sequence
committee besides Sean
Mersh?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jon</p>
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style="color:rgb(153,153,153);font-size:14px">On Thursday, June 15, 2017
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<div>Before you all
get out your
lanterns and pitch
forks let me provide
a little of the
pending update. </div>
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<div>The sequences
were given to the
board just a few
hours before last
night's meeting.
Since the board did
not have time to
review them and had
more pressing
concerns we agreed
to table them until
a separate meeting
could be scheduled
for the BOD to
review them and vote
on them before they
are distributed. </div>
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<div>An update on the
Nats will be
published before the
weekend. </div>
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<div>Anthony </div>
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<div>To: Jon Lowe <<a
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NSRCA Leadership /
New Sequences - My
thoughts - Long
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<div>Umm…. Sorry
guys. My DVP has
been doing his
best to forward
minutes and
documents to our
D4 Mailing list as
soon and as often
as he can. We
love him!
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<div>I will try to
attach here the
sequence
proposals that
were sent out
last night prior
to the BOD
Meeting (he
received them
last night as
well, and
circulated them
for feedback
from our
District.). The
resulting email
firestorm and
discussion is
what prompted my
earlier diatribe
and
recommendations. </div>
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<div>On Jun
15, 2017, at
11:05 PM, Jon
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<p dir="ltr">For
those of us
who haven't
seen the
proposed
sequences,
what are
they? Are you
implying that
Masters might
have a
P&F? Good
god, I hope
not. And only
Masters has to
change every
two years,
according to
AMA rules.
Other classes
change every
four years.
Further,
according to
the AMA rule
book, NSRCA
must submit
the sequences
to the
membership for
approval prior
to
implementation
by the BoD.</p>
<p dir="ltr">We
still have
also not heard
a peep from
the BoD on the
Nats
situation. A
month out and
we still don't
know who is in
charge, or
what the FAI
and Masters
finals are
going to
consist
of?I've also
heard of some
sort of
unpublished
MOA between
NSRCA and Mike
H about the
NATS. Would be
nice to know
if that is
true, and, if
so, see a
copy. I looked
thru the BoDs
book of
motions, and
at least thru
April of this
year, there is
no mention of
one being
accepted by
the BoD. There
was also no
mention of any
particular
NATs format
being accepted
by the BoD.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I
hope someone
from the BoD
will let us
know soon what
is going on
with the NATs
and the
sequences.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jon</p>
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15, 2017
Atwood, Mark
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<div
class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_aolReplacedBody">Recently
our District
VP distributed
proposed new
sequences for
2018, and it’s
resulted in
quite the
brew-ha-ha in
our district
(D4). There’s
really two
issues of
concern being
debated in our
district list
and I’d like
to address
them both, and
open up the
floor for
nation-wide,
full
membership
discussion.
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<div>Since I
suspect this
could become a
long post,
I’ll create a
quick exec
summary to
start. I want
to emphasize
that this is
all simply MY
opinion. It
carry’s no
more weight
than any other
member. </div>
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<div><b>Issue
#1</b>)
there’s
significant
concern that
the NSRCA
Leadership
isn’t
listening.
That they have
their own set
opinion, and
are going to
use their
authority to
make that
opinion
reality.</div>
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<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>I
believe that
perception IS
reality.
Regardless of
the truth of
these
accusations, I
feel it needs
to be
addressed. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>Issue
#2</b>) The
new
sequences.
The comments
are that they
are too hard,
too many
(masters
P&F), no
collaboration,
no voice from
the
membership, no
survey, etc.
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>I
think…
Sportsman,
intermediate,
Advanced are
fine. I also
think they
should change
less
frequently,
OR…ideally we
create 3
sequences for
each (A, B,
C), and rotate
them every 2
years. More
on why in the
details.</div>
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<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>Masters
- I think we
should
STRONGLY
consider
having masters
fly the
current FAI P
pattern.
Always.
LOTS of
supporting
comments on
this below.
It fixes MANY
problems (and
as always,
creates a
few).</div>
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<div>So the
first issue is
of deep
concern to me,
because I see
people leaving
the NSRCA, and
Pattern in
general as a
result.
That’s
personally
painful as
I’ve been a
member for a
very long time
and have
always felt it
was a great
organization
and have
worked hard to
encourage
others to join
us. I don’t
believe that
anyone in the
organization
is trying to
be a dictator,
or usurp the
control from
the masses.
But I do
believe that
the lack of
transparency
in some of the
more recent
issues has
lead to
mistrust. And
WE MUST FIX
THAT. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The
current issue
with the
Nationals is a
prime
example. D4
is a heavy
participant at
the nationals
due to our
geographic
proximity (we
LOVE
Muncie!). But
we understand
the need to
move it around
and our group
was a strong
supporter of
trying a new
venue even
though we
personally
would all have
farther to
travel. Not
all, but many
of our
regulars will
be in
Arkansas.
But as a
group, we were
all in Muncie
when there was
collective
agreement that
Al Glenn had
done a great
job in 2016,
and was
selected to be
the ED for
2017, which
was later
confirmed by
the BOD. We
also knew that
there was an
official vote
to move the
Nats to
Arkansas and
that Mike
Harrison would
be
facilitating
that move. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Changing
those rolls,
making Mike
the ED, Is not
only seen as
being horribly
disrespectful
to Al Glenn,
but smacks us
(the outside
membership) as
“behind closed
doors”
politics.
Something
that’s
intolerable in
a hobby.
Mike may be
the greatest
ED of all
time. But
there’s a
process we go
through,
membership to
communicate
with and get
consensus
from, and
general common
courtesy to
Al, ALL of
which appears
to have been
laid to
waste. If
that’s NOT the
reality… it’s
clearly the
perception.
It may be too
late to fix
the reality of
who’s doing
what for the
nats. But I
would very
much like
NSRCA
leadership to
start
addressing the
issue,
perception or
reality, in a
meaningful,
transparent,
and
communicative
manner. And
if decisions
were made
inappropriately,
simply
apologize, and
we’ll move on,
and make an
effort not to
repeat them.
No one here is
a paid
professional.
EVERYONE is
doing their
best to
promote the
hobby they
love. We all
have opinions
(I’m clearly
expressing
mine), and we
won’t all
agree. Just
remember that
board members
are elected to
voice the
opinions of
their ENTIRE
district,
which may
differ with
their own
personal
opinions. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>‘Nuff
whining on
that. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>Issue
2. Sequences</b></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span><b>Lower
classes
</b>- Meant to
be the
Building
blocks for
Pattern. Each
class having
increasing
difficulty,
measured
spacing in
complexity,
designed to
prepare the
pilot for the
next class.
ALL classes
are potential
“Destination”
classes for a
variety of
reasons,
(Time, age,
interest,
talent, etc).
As such,
changing the
schedules
periodically
allows for
some variety
without moving
classes. All
Good. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>But
that said,
creating all
new sequences
ever few years
is both a time
consuming
effort, and
requires
strict
discipline and
guidelines to
prevent
complexity
creep. So my
suggestion is,
rather than a
new committee
making a new
set of
sequences
every few
years, that
instead, we
take the time
to create 3
sequences for
each class, an
A, B and C
pattern, which
would allow a
one time
effort to
produce
balanced,
thoughtful,
progressive
sequences that
would
effectively
create a 6
year cycle in
any class
before the
patterns
repeated
(assume you
flew each for
2 years).
Even for the
perennial
Advanced
flyer, that’s
sufficient to
provide
challenge if
they truly are
unable to move
up. As
always… My
$0.02</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span><b>MASTERS</b>.
This one I
have strong
opinions on so
bear with me.
We have
numerous
issues to
solve…</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>*<span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap">
</span>Bored perennial Masters pilots that want ever increasing
complexity but
who lack the
desire to
attempt to fly
the F pattern
in FAI. </div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>*<span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap">
</span>An every increasing complexity gap as FAI continues to push the
boundaries of
what our
aircraft can
do</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>*<span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap">
</span>A dwindling FAI class due to that gap, and a Masters sequence
that does
little to
truly prep a
pilot for FAI</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>*<span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap">
</span>Judging challenges, as ever increasing complexity in our routines
makes them
harder to
judge if
you’re not
intimately
familiar with
the sequence.</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>* <span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap">
</span>Contest Logistics - Too many in one class, not enough in another
(typically
Masters vs
FAI)</div>
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<div>In my
mind, ONE
thing fixes
all of this. <b>Adopting
the P pattern
as our Masters
class
sequence.</b></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>In
the rest of
the world, The
P pattern IS
the pattern
for those not
flying the
full FAI
program.
It’s designed
with that in
mind. It’s
complex, but
very much on
par with our
typical
Masters
programs. It
will challenge
those bored
pilots and
changes
reliably every
2 years with
NO effort!</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>As
FAI adds new
maneuvers,
they put
components of
them into the
P pattern.
More snaps,
some KE
segments,
introductory
integrated
rolling, etc.
Without
this, the gap
between FAI
and Masters
will continue
to widen,
making the
jump for all
but a few
virtually
impossible.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>By
flying the P
pattern for
the season,
should a
masters pilot
choose to try
FAI, they only
have one
additional
pattern to
learn. It’s a
less daunting
exercise than
suddenly
having 2 new
sequences. In
reverse,
should there
be limited FAI
participants
at a contest,
eliminating
the FAI class
for logistical
reasons allows
the one or two
FAI pilots to
simply fly
Masters at the
local event
and not have
it be a
complete
unknown. Or
alternatively,
several of the
top Masters
pilots could
opt to fly
with the FAI
group, and
possibly agree
not to fly the
F sequence.
Bottom line,
there are more
options.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>Judging
- BOTH classes
benefit
tremendously
from improved
judging as
more people
will know the
nuances of the
sequence
they’re
judging as an
active flyer
of it. No
more missed
zeros because
they don’t
know it. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7099832089004766151m_-1123793630591151519m_8632629812608526116x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>There
are so many
reasons (ok,
in MY mind)
why this makes
sense that I
don’t really
understand the
opposition to
it. Yes, the
FAI crew
throws in a
half
integrated
loop here and
there and I
know some are
deathly
opposed to
that. I also
recall the
first time we
told masters
pilots to roll
both right AND
left… 1998.
My world came
to an end.
But we
learned. Our
planes roll so
easily now by
comparison to
a curare that
we should
expect the
maneuvers to
advance with
them. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ok, I’ll
get off my
soap box.
These are MY
opinions. I
think they’re
born from a
good deal of
experience,
but they’re
still just one
person’s
thoughts. We
need to get
back to open
discussion,
survey’s, and
consensus.
No, we won’t
please
everyone. But
we do need to
please
“most”. We
all love this
niche of the
hobby. We all
want it to
grow. We all
have good
intentions.
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conversations
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